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 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 10:02 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Will Mrs. Brisby ever have an expanded and remastered "sparkly" to call her very own...?

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2014 - 10:46 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Nicodemus has forseen it.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2014 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

147 views and only one reply? Hmmmmmmm.

I should scan the film and see how much music is actually missing. While all the "important" cues are on the OST, a lot of the quieter underscore is missing. It's understated but very good (not in a droning way) and would really pad out the musical experience.

Two cues I really want are the second half of traveling underneath the rats lair and the gondola boat ride under the mill. Traveling the lair features the only rendition of Justin's themes outside of the end credits. (and the whole cue is quite magical.) JG revisits so many lovely themes in the gondola cue.

There's also a extremely brief flurry of action music when Brisby tries to drug the cat and gets captured.

Seriously there is so much good music missing from the OST!

Edit: Found rough audio cuts on Youtube!

Traveling Rats Lair


Under the Mill/Boat Ride


Drugging the Cat/Captured


 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2014 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   GoblinScore   (Member)

I need a re-do on this just 'cos I missed the Varese and am still stuck with the TER CD,
with that wonky sequencing (the 2 big finale cues, presented backwards? Really, Jerry??),
so-so artwork, and probably lesser sound (guessing) than the Varese reissue.
I know it's no great hardship to hit skip and rewind in the middle of the record for those final
cues, but still......

Anyhow, I'm awaiting this too.
- S

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2014 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

These seem to represent all the missing music. Which approximately comes to 12 or so minutes?
I thought for sure the OST was missing 15 or 20 minutes of score. But animation scenes are deceptively short.

Not going to post YouTube clips again, just the basic missing cues and run times along with links.
(If the YouTube member visits this board thanks for all the hard work!)

Ages Science Lab- 1:16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prQXlEcNRUY

Jeremy The Crow 0:32 (Seems this bit is on the OST)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlVSB7FMfqI

Following Mr. Ages/Traveling Rats Lair/Meeting Justin (Second Half)- 3:38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ynAGOZqM_0

Be Brief/Walking To Nicodemus Dorm- 0:38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZPbH-iX2kc

Jenner's Schemes- 1:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCqrLHfARQo

Under The Mill/Boat Ride- 1:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT1tEgaj2z4

Jeremy And The Sparkly- 1:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtfdO-4_3xU

Jeremy Tied Up- 1:32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M26E1oz2JFE

Drugging Cat/Captured- 1:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0iz2k2cMoE

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2014 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I too only have the TER release, which is a bit shrill, sonically. I haven't heard the Varèse release.

While I'm not sure how much music is missing (I haven't listened to the above samples yet), this is certainly a score worth revisiting, especially seeing as it comes from one of Goldsmith's most fertile periods.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2014 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)


I should scan the film and see how much music is actually missing. While all the "important" cues are on the OST, a lot of the quieter underscore is missing. It's understated but very good (not in a droning way) and would really pad out the musical experience.


Plus, there's always the possibility of alternate/unused cues. Goldsmith actually offered an additional two weeks' worth of work on the movie, free of charge, because he loved it so much, so there may be earlier versions of cues he revised during that extra time devoted to the score.

I just want ALL of it, because it's my favorite movie, and one of my favorite Goldsmith scores. It's just weird that a totally obscure, jock strap-laden movie like The Salamander gets a lavish re-recording, and yet an acclaimed animated feature from one of Goldsmith's greatest periods continues to be ignored by the specialty labels. frown

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2014 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)



It's just weird that a totally obscure, jock strap-laden movie like The Salamander gets a lavish re-recording, and yet an acclaimed animated feature from one of Goldsmith's greatest periods continues to be ignored by the specialty labels. frown



That might have to do with the fact that The Salamander had never been released and that the tapes are apparently lost.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2014 - 10:58 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

When something we want doesn't come out, the reason is rarely that it's because the specialty labels are ignoring it.

Especially if it's a very popular Goldsmith, if it's not coming out the reasons are much more likely to be issues of clearance or elements than apathy.

Take Intrada. Do you think those guys, who are Goldsmith fanatics themselves, haven't even thought of doing NIMH?

No, the reason will not be labels being ignorant.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2014 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

While most of the missing cues are short, the following below are pretty much in chronological order of the film and could be (gasp) cross-faded into a decent 5 minute cue.

Jenner's Schemes
Under The Mill/Boat Ride
Jeremy And The Sparkly
Jeremy Tied Up
Drugging Cat/Captured

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2014 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

While most of the missing cues are short, the following below are pretty much in chronological order of the film and could be (gasp) cross-faded into a decent 5 minute cue.

Jenner's Schemes
Under The Mill/Boat Ride
Jeremy And The Sparkly
Jeremy Tied Up
Drugging Cat/Captured


Actually, the cue called Jeremy Tied Up in the video preceded the cue the user called Be Brief.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2014 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

@ Stephen Woolston - True. I’m sure one of the labels will release it. It’s been requested enough times, yet not one insider has said it cannot be released. (for whatever reason) Which usually happens when a release is not at all possible. So I think its just a matter of time.

@- TackheCobbler- Thxs for the correction. I wasn’t sure about that cues placement.

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2014 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


A few quotes from Goldsmith-

Goldsmith discussed the difficulty of scoring the film, in that he had to score sequences that were unfinished. Many times all he had to go by were story sketches and daily rushes. He stated, “ I was on the phone constantly, ‘What’s going on here?’ and ‘Whats happening here?”

Treating the film as a live action story, rather than a cartoon, Goldsmith created a rich score for orchestra and choir. He used the choir for climatic scenes.

According to Goldsmith, “Whatever one is referring to Nicodemus or the amulet , I always used the choir. And the whole thing climaxed as the house was being lifted. It was a very emotional experience- belief and faith is really what it’s all about, and when it finally triumphs, that’s it!” Goldsmith later commented he felt his work on NIMH was one of his best scores.

The one song, “Flying Dreams”, was by Goldsmith and Paul Williams. “Flying Dreams” was heard during the film in two places. First, by Sally Steven, when Mrs. Brisby is feeding Timmy and over the end titles by Williams. Allegedly a dispute with Williams caused the song to never be released on sheet music.



Source: The Animated Films of Don Bluth

 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2014 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


I should scan the film and see how much music is actually missing. While all the "important" cues are on the OST, a lot of the quieter underscore is missing. It's understated but very good (not in a droning way) and would really pad out the musical experience.


Plus, there's always the possibility of alternate/unused cues. Goldsmith actually offered an additional two weeks' worth of work on the movie, free of charge, because he loved it so much, so there may be earlier versions of cues he revised during that extra time devoted to the score.


Well apparently there are alternate tracks!

 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2014 - 7:56 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Wow, why the HELL didn't they use that version in the film?! I know, I know...Paul Williams is a "name" and Sally Stevens isn't, but I always found it odd to hear Williams' voice performing the song at the end, when Mrs. Brisby was the protagonist...a female performance of "Flying Dreams" would have been more appropriate. If this score ever is expanded, I hope this performance is included.

 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2014 - 11:14 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Sally Stevens is an angel, and yes it would have made more sense if she sang the end credits. But I also love Paul Williams folksy take on the song.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2015 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   lottie   (Member)

Does anyone have any idea where I can find the manuscript for this? I want to do a comparison of a few scenes with the rite of spring...it's very similar in tone, and if you have any information I'd be really really appreciative....

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2015 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   lottie   (Member)

Someone mentioned scanning it in...does anyone have the score? As in the manuscript. Or would anyone know where I can find it? I want to do a comparison between the Rite of Spring and this score...they're really similar in tone and sound....

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2015 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   lottie   (Member)

Someone mentioned scanning it in...does anyone have the score? As in the manuscript. Or would anyone know where I can find it? I want to do a comparison between the Rite of Spring and this score...they're really similar in tone and sound....

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2015 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   lottie   (Member)

Someone mentioned scanning it in...does anyone have the score? As in the manuscript. Or would anyone know where I can find it? I want to do a comparison between the Rite of Spring and this score...they're really similar in tone and sound....

 
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