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Or Rerecordings?     1 2    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 1:55 PM     By:   filmusicnow   (Member) Since there hasn't been any Goldsmith threads that haven't been posted lately, here's one: Do you prefer his original soundtracks or the rerecordings of scores that he personally supervised?    Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 2:00 PM     By:   Ado   (Member) Original, every time    Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 2:04 PM     By:   Timmer   (Member) It all depends. I'll have to return to this thread when I have more time. I will say that both the FLINT scores OUR MAN and IN LIKE immediately came to mind, I far far prefer JG's superb re-recordings as represented on the original LP's and thankfully released only a few months ago on CD by Intrada.    Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 2:14 PM     By:   eriknelson   (Member) I tend to prefer the originals. One interesting example is ISLANDS IN THE STREAM. Jerry wanted to re-record this score (one of his favorites) because he hadn't been entirely happy with the original performance. When the original recording was finally released by FSM, I was happily surprised at how excellent it was. I prefer it. I can't imagine what Jerry was complaining about.    Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 2:15 PM     By:   jeff1   (Member) I think most would agree the re-recordings he did alongside (or shortly after) original sessions for album release are all pretty worthwhile - Flint, The Last Run, Wild Rovers, Damien, Capricorn One, Masada etc. His later revisionist takes on classic scores such as Islands In The Stream, The Sand Pebbles and Patton however, were thoroughly awful.    Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 2:43 PM     By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member) The one exception (at least besides rerecorded compilations) of the latter is Intrada's Rio Conchos. That's an awesome recording and performance. As far as the unique LP recordings done around the time of the film, I already started a thread on that very subject just a few months ago: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=106347&forumID=1&archive=0 Yavar    Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 4:39 PM     By:   batman&robin   (Member) Originals -- always!    Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 4:42 PM     By:   jenkwombat   (Member) Original.    Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 4:52 PM     By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member) I'm surprised at the number of people who are saying originals 100% of the time. I thought many people preferred the album recordings at least some of the time, whether it be Capricorn One, Patton, the Flints, or Masada (even though the album recording is superb, I was frankly surprised at the number of people in the past who preferred it to the complete original recording). Is it possible people are just referring to the later re-recordings Goldsmith conducted for Intrada and Varese? That I could understand a lot more, because I disliked all of his Varese ones and only really liked Rio Conchos from Intrada...I guess even with that title I can understand people preferring the original, especially now that Michael Mattesino has so thoroughly improved its sound. Yavar    Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 5:18 PM     By:   Grecchus   (Member) I tend to prefer the originals. One interesting example is ISLANDS IN THE STREAM. Jerry wanted to re-record this score (one of his favorites) because he hadn't been entirely happy with the original performance. When the original recording was finally released by FSM, I was happily surprised at how excellent it was. I prefer it. I can't imagine what Jerry was complaining about. The first time I saw Jerry in concert at the Barbican was in 1987! Now, the programme was pretty good and included was "The Marlin" from IITS. That is a lengthy piece as many will know and I have a hunch that to him, it was more than incidental music to a motion picture. I believe he wanted it to be the epicentre of a concert-going experience and so it somehow needed to be taken out of the film environment. Orchestrating and placing it as such is what mattered.    Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 5:49 PM     By:   Kim Peterson   (Member) Love the OS, but like the RR if that is the only thing available. Do not like any attempt to duplicate the OS with the use of electronics.    Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 5:53 PM     By:   batman&robin   (Member) I've always thought Jerry Goldsmith is the toughest composer for re-recordings. Presumably, this is a matter of an unique musical style, so great, that is difficult to recreate conventionally, unlike with other composers. Except for some recent Raine/Fitzpatrick achievements, I believe nobody has been able to recreate the exact ambiance, crisp detail, perfect nuance and steady as clock rhythm of an original Goldsmith session. I can mention that early compilation called "The Essential Jerry Goldsmith Film Music Collection", and those most recent BSX synth/sampler albums, as examples of the damage a re-recording can do to the original work. Just my subjective opinion, of course...    Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 8:36 PM     By:   Loren   (Member) Rerecording by Goldsmith himself for sure.    Posted:   Dec 12, 2014 - 9:37 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) Question makes no sense.    Posted:   Dec 13, 2014 - 12:05 AM     By:   Kim Peterson   (Member) I can mention that early compilation called "The Essential Jerry Goldsmith Film Music Collection", and those most recent BSX synth/sampler albums, as examples of the damage a re-recording can do to the original work. You said this better, but it was what I meant to say.    Posted:   Dec 13, 2014 - 12:17 AM     By:   MikeJ   (Member) Damage? That is complete bullshit. I would like ONE person to show me how a rerecording, whether it comes from BSX or another label, damages or diminishes the power of an original composition or performance? It's not like the original recordings disintegrate once someone produces a new recording! The great compositions of classical music are frequently rerecorded and none of those recordings diminish what has come before. Pop songs are frequently re-mixed and re-recorded. And the power of the original compositions remain intact. Here's a news flash. There are people out there in the world who don't listen to film music on a regular basis. They don't even go to the movies on a regular basis. But hearing a rerecording or a reinterpretation of something that has come before might actually make them curious enough to find out more about where that music came from. And that does absolutely NO damage to the original performance of a work. If it's been preserved, you can listen to it any time you want.    Posted:   Dec 13, 2014 - 12:21 AM     By:   MikeJ   (Member) Here's another news flash. Many composers start composing sitting AT A PIANO. Like Poledouris and Goldsmith. And the proof that they were true masters of their craft is that you can strip all the elements of an orchestra away and distill the strength of a good melody back down to a guy sitting at a piano or playing that melody with a small ensemble.    Posted:   Dec 13, 2014 - 12:37 AM     By:   Kim Peterson   (Member) I would like ONE person to show me how a rerecording, whether it comes from BSX or another label, damages or diminishes the power of an original composition or performance Play Raiders, Untouchables, Diamonds Are Forever, etc. from this album. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003NB2O2A/ref=dm_ws_sp_ps_dp http://www.amazon.com/Raiders-Lost-Ark-Music/dp/B001DBNNQ8/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?s=dmusic&ie=UTF8&qid=1418456139&sr=1-3-fkmr0&keywords=rtaiders+of+the+lost+ark+cd    Posted:   Dec 13, 2014 - 12:38 AM     By:   MikeJ   (Member) So what? You have the original albums to listen to! How does posting some links offer any evidence of the original performances being diminished? They still exist. You can still listen to them.    Posted:   Dec 13, 2014 - 12:49 AM     By:   Kim Peterson   (Member) Yes, but when some person (non-score geek/average Joe) remembers liking the music to a movie and goes onto a website like Amazon to find it and this is one of the titles to come up at a cheap price they buy it, not knowing that they just bought elevator/department store music.     General Discussion: Do You Prefer Goldsmith O.S. Or Rerecordings?    < 1 2  > >>  Go to page:  1 2   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2

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