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 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

Interesting article from the BBC...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-30413134

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I've always had a theory that he has this back catalogue of various rhytmic structures that he keeps pasting in (and perhaps altering a bit) to each project. Keeps him from the extra work of coming up with memorable themes and textures.

(as you can gather, I'm no big fan).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

I think Desplat is one of the better composers working today. My favorite Desplat score in recent years is PHILOMENA. It was perfect and, for the first time in years, I left the theatre with the main theme in my mind.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

My favorite Desplat score of the year (they are all great though):

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)

I think Desplat is one of the better composers working today. My favorite Desplat score in recent years is PHILOMENA. It was perfect and, for the first time in years, I left the theatre with the main theme in my mind.

He is certainly one of few Hollywood composers today to consistently grab my attention. Then again, the kind of new films that I have typically watched for the last decade were mostly scored by him or Thomas Newman.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I've always had a theory that he has this back catalogue of various rhytmic structures that he keeps pasting in (and perhaps altering a bit) to each project. Keeps him from the extra work of coming up with memorable themes and textures.

(as you can gather, I'm no big fan).


Living in a town where that is done by many a major composer (and their minions) you pick the fellow who has the least reputation for it. I, of course, think his themes have been more memorable than most out there because they are not just "how do I make a superhero variation on all of the ones who are out there", although he can do that with the best of them (RISE OF THE GUARDIANS). His themes stay with me and yet they have a variety that others lack. They remind me of Goldsmith's choices of taking a less commercial project simply because he had never tackled that subject matter.

Even his later scores that are overshadowed by his early ones (I find that is true of most of my favorites) have a catchiness that stays:

The Mr. Moustapha theme from THE GRAND BUDAPEST HOTEL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzk0BYfJXVg

The march he created for THE IDES OF MARCH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImyPkef2aUs

The haunting theme he created for PHILOMENA which echoes her tryst at the carnival which is at the core of this drama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLyMR3UKltQ&list=PLURQ_xwn_OwnC2Rx21brsr7uaRAK7qvms

The safe-at-home theme that brings ARGO's intrigues to a close:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXISiSdmTeY&index=4&list=PL6cif0ieq0JPHwWzn-iq2KJleoHidlB3e

...and when he gets an assignment that takes him back to old Hollywood style I can't help but smile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu_ObSSSOIk&index=22&list=PL2lEMhX9H6tmO4OU8HA3vS0wuo1RN7JnS

This all may be forgettable for you but I can't tell you how long it has been since I have walked away from movies with this kind of experience...and from the same composer...again and again and again.

(as you can tell I am not a fan of your snarky remarks)

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Great post Morricone!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Well, what can I say....to each their own. There are a couple of popular fan favourite composers I've never been able to connect to, like Desplat and Giacchino. Even though in both cases, there is a thing now and then that grabs my attention. I liked Desplat's GHOST WRITER, for exampe, but that had more to do with the spotting of the music in the film than the music itself.

I stand by my hypothesis, however, that in order to do as many scores each year as Desplat does, he needs to have a few tricks up his sleeve as library or back catalogue -- and I think a lot of that has to with his heavy reliance on repeating ostinati, which isn't necessarily easier to do, but which he seems to favour as an immediate gut reaction to everything he does.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

I stand by my hypothesis, however, that in order to do as many scores each year as Desplat does, he needs to have a few tricks up his sleeve as library or back catalogue -- and I think a lot of that has to with his heavy reliance on repeating ostinati, which isn't necessarily easier to do, but which he seems to favour as an immediate gut reaction to everything he does.

Or he is just a very good composer like Morricone or Delerue - composers that averaged 5-10 films a year in their hey days (not to mention that they did their own orchestrations).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I stand by my hypothesis, however, that in order to do as many scores each year as Desplat does, he needs to have a few tricks up his sleeve as library or back catalogue -- and I think a lot of that has to with his heavy reliance on repeating ostinati, which isn't necessarily easier to do, but which he seems to favour as an immediate gut reaction to everything he does.

Or he is just a very good composer like Morricone or Delerue - composers that averaged 5-10 films a year in their hey days (not to mention that they did their own orchestrations).


Well, I would apply the same hypothesis to them. When Morricone was at his most active, there was certainly a dud among the good ones in a given year. And Delerue could frequently fall back on 'familiar tricks' over a series of several films. In both of these cases, however, I feel far closer to their musical styles, so it's not much of an issue. With Desplat, I'm simply not connecting on any level (as of yet -- my door is open).

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 1:09 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I don't have a single Desplat score. What I've heard hasn't interest me a bit. I have a few Giacchino scores but his themes never seeme fleshed out and I lose interest in them rather quickly. I'm sure their both very nice guys but the music is just lackluster. I love Delerue's themes, but generally not a big fan of his entire scores. And even his themes are kinda one and the same. (Lovely as they are.)

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I only just saw the new Godzilla and spent the entire film waiting for it to begin.

I was quite struck by the similarity in almost every way the main title resembled the other slightly less recent one, with the Arnold MT. I mean, it's lizards and atomic blasts wall plastering! The new one sounds very similar to the slightly older one, if you really want my opinion. I doubt that was Desplat's choice, but, I guess we've heard it all before.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   rjc   (Member)

I think Desplat is no different from any composer, and so I don't begrudge him leaning on the skills and techniques at his disposal to get the job done, be it in three weeks or three months. I also don't doubt, again as with any composer, that regardless of the time constraints to complete a score, that Desplat has certain preferences, be it instrumentation, how he constructs a melody, the use of rhythm etc. But by just judging his output from this year alone, though I'd argue the point from his body of work, I certainly don't hear anything resembling a cut and paste approach.

And thanks for the link, Thomas.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 8:45 PM   
 By:   desplatfan1   (Member)

Desplat never had any kind of copypaste techniques like Zimmer and other composers. Even his minor works have something that makes them more unique than other composers's big works (The marimba driven theme for Tamara Drewe or the carnivalesque motif for Philomena). If you compare his works from 2010 so far, with the last decade, there's a huge difference in terms of quality, memorability with orchestrations and themes. Also, this year alone, Desplat has made scores with more variation in genres, styles, than most of composers's works in the past 10 years. Which is something to say about someone who most of the people think he was only able to write waltzes.

The fact that some people still doubts of the quality and effort of his works is insulting, especially when Desplat already wrote that kind of scores that old farts like it and got bashed because of it (Monuments Men).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 11:30 PM   
 By:   The Juggler   (Member)

I think one of Desplat's most underrated scores is ZERO DARK THIRTY. The section where the Seal Team is taking off for the big mission is very Barryesque in tone. I love that cue and it delivers the perfect dramatic support in the film itself.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2014 - 11:35 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Desplat never had any kind of copypaste techniques like Zimmer and other composers. Even his minor works have something that makes them more unique than other composers's big works (The marimba driven theme for Tamara Drewe or the carnivalesque motif for Philomena). If you compare his works from 2010 so far, with the last decade, there's a huge difference in terms of quality, memorability with orchestrations and themes. Also, this year alone, Desplat has made scores with more variation in genres, styles, than most of composers's works in the past 10 years. Which is something to say about someone who most of the people think he was only able to write waltzes.

The fact that some people still doubts of the quality and effort of his works is insulting, especially when Desplat already wrote that kind of scores that old farts like it and got bashed because of it (Monuments Men).


You lost me at "old farts" - young farts are much, MUCH worse, trust me, having formerly been a young fart. You yourself will be an old fart and when you are your karma points will be at 0.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2014 - 12:14 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Thanks for those cues, Morricone.

I'm listening more carefully to Desplat now. Some of his scores pull me in. I loved The Monuments Men.

Also, I love the cue "Cleared Iranian Airspace" from Argo. What a unique approach to use a waltz, and it is a waltz, as a celebration for a homecoming.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2014 - 2:07 AM   
 By:   Luc Van der Eeken   (Member)

Yet despite the fact that he's able to write a score quickly, he's not doing 'The Little Prince' anymore even if the production team announced him earlier this year. He's replaced by...Hans Zimmer.

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2014 - 2:20 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Morricone wrote 22 scores in 1972, give or take a quibble over the odd release year.
no duds in there.

i agree with Henry Morricone- Desplat is one of the few "new" composers writing repeatedly original and memorable themes. unfortunately when composers have a style, a trademark sound, their detractors use this to accuse them of falling back on the same stuff. Any composer who writes the volume and breadth of scores like Ennio. and probably Desplat now, may have some revisits. Up to a point, if it works, these guys who do a lot of work cannot be expected to re-invent the wheel every theme they write, can they? an element of repeat has to remain because its the same composer.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2014 - 3:56 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I've always had a theory that he has this back catalogue of various rhytmic structures that he keeps pasting in (and perhaps altering a bit) to each project. Keeps him from the extra work of coming up with memorable themes and textures.

(as you can gather, I'm no big fan).


Ha, or he could do a Zimmer, & pass out sections of the score for his staff to work on. I should really stay away from these threads on new movie music.

 
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