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 Posted:   Oct 30, 2014 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

What if the producers of the SUPERMAN movies kept on Richard Donner, Mario Puzo and John Williams for more than two SUPERMAN movies, counting the Donner cut of SUPERMAN II? While I do like SUPERMAN III, I think it could have been so much better, and carried the series further. What do you guys think on the subject?smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2014 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

I am such a huge fan of the Donner Superman movie (and to a lesser extent his cut of Superman II) that, yes, absolutely. Id have loved the same team to have been in place for III.

As it was I though III was utterly terrible, from Lester's dire direction (failing to take the subject matter seriously) to the should villains and appalling score. Ok, so note quite as bad as IV (what is?) but still pretty horrible movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2014 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I am such a huge fan of the Donner Superman movie (and to a lesser extent his cut of Superman II) that, yes, absolutely. Id have loved the same team to have been in place for III.

The Donner films are very powerful films, moving with heart.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2014 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I think Williams would have wisely backed out of III and IV, as he backed out of other crappy movies. Likewise Donner unless there were completely new scripts with nothing resembling the originals.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2014 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I think Williams would have wisely backed out of III and IV, as he backed out of other crappy movies. Likewise Donner unless there were completely new scripts with nothing resembling the originals.

Yes, but III and IV probably wouldn't have been crappy movies if they had Donner, Puzo and Williams working on them.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2014 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

I think Williams would have wisely backed out of III and IV, as he backed out of other crappy movies.

Apart from that 4th Indy movie...

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 Posted:   Oct 31, 2014 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

So, the STAR WARS saga managed, for all its attendant overhype, a grand total of two genuinely acceptable and compelling movies? And that with the creative team intact.

The Salkind SUPERMAN productions were what kept many of the Elstree/Shepperton crowd in bangers & mash while waiting around for another Bond or Star Wars flick. I don't think the kind of high-budget, b-string Superman stuff would ever have produced anything of entertainment significance, even if Puzo had stuck around.

And I don't forsee any lasting value in the current generic cheesebag superhero franchise slates, either. Man, the Nolan stuff has left a bad aftertaste, as good as it was.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2014 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I never got it. Which is why I've never been a big Donner fan. After waiting in long lines on opening day I was impressed with the gravitas Brando, Stamp, Howard, etc. bring to the Krypton sequence. And then even more impressed with Glen Ford and the grand Americana of the Smallville sequences. But that is where the film ended for me. Once he gets to Metropolis everything is a joke. References to "mild mannered reporter" and "Truth, justice and the American way" and phonebooths and everything we connected to Superman in the past were used as running gags. The acting became over the top (even compared to the old TV series) and most of his derring-do has no weight and no suspense involved. Only Chris Reeve is given any room to regain the seriousness but he didn't achieve that against so much camp thrown at you.

To be fair to Donner I can only assume the producers, the Salkinds, whose only previous hit THE THREE MUSKETEERS (which started out serious but by hiring Richard Lester was made into a successful tough-in-cheek version) encouraged the comedy heartily. Producers tend to see everything based on what has worked before. But these guys never got too far, amongst other reasons because they attempted to make 2 films at once on both MUSKETEERS and SUPERMAN without telling a sizable amount of the cast and crew. Legal entanglements did ensue.

For awhile I thought I was part of the minority on this but seeing that this film, after so many years of hype, can't get past a 7.3 rating on IMDB (with 464 users and 155 critics chiming in) I am definitely not alone.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2014 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Yes, the late Stanley Kauffman's comment is again apropos. He recalled that in his youth he had written (for peanuts) some Superman radio scripts, and while he couldn't recall a thing about them, he was sure they must have been better than the screenplay for this multimillion-dollar production. John Williams elevated the early portions of the movie, but the rest of the jokey conception is only sporadically funny.

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2014 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I think the change in direction was appropriate in Superman the Movie. Sure up to Sr. Clark's death it was a very serious and grandiose film, but once Superman appears in blue and red tights you gotta take that with a grain of salt! The tongue and cheek humor helped with the suspension of disbelief from that point forward. While heavy on humor it did'nt loose it's dramatic (or romantic) edge. I think the "Wendy and Peter Pan" approach was brilliantly executed. The only character that was really over the top was Otis.

 
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