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 Posted:   Oct 21, 2014 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

Disney’s 2012 summer tentpole John Carter might have failed at the box office, but that doesn’t mean that cinema audiences will never again get the chance to visit Barsoom alongside the former Civil War captain. Or, at least, that’s what the estate of the character’s creator is hoping.

In a statement released by Edgar Rice Burroughs, Inc., the company announced that movie rights to the John Carter of Mars series have reverted from Disney back to the estate, and that it will be “seeking a new studio to continue this seminal Sci-Fi adventure.”

Disney confirmed that the rights had reverted back to ERB, Inc., but had no further comment when contacted.
James Sullos, president of ERB, Inc., is quoted as saying that the estate will be looking for “a new partner to help develop new adventures on film as chronicled in the eleven Mars novels Burroughs wrote. This adventure never stops.” He also mentions Warner Bros.’ plans for a new Tarzan film, saying that John Carter of Mars has the potential to “become another major franchise to entertain worldwide audiences of all ages.”

Disney’s John Carter, co-written by director Andrew Stanton and novelist Michael Chabon, stumbled at the U.S. box office upon its release two years ago, although it did perform better internationally. Although producers had initially talked about working on follow-ups to the movie, its domestic performance ensured such plans never reached fruition.
When asked by THR whether Taylor Kitsch would continue to play Carter in any future project, Sullos replied that he couldn’t comment before entreating into discussions with an interested studio. “We have no preconceived notion at this time of how this adventure will be further advanced,” he said, adding that ERB, Inc. “hopes to find a studio that believes that this massive adventure story can continue to entertain audiences of all ages around the world.” He cited the international box office (while the movie only made $73,078,100 in the U.S., it took in $211,061,000 internationally) and domestic DVD sales of the Disney film enjoyed as a sign of the franchise’s potential.

The announcement about regaining movie rights to the character is the second announcement ERB, Inc. has made regarding the property this year. In May, the company partnered with Dynamite Entertainment to relaunch the John Carter comic book franchise.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/john-carter-movie-rights-regained-742702

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 4:03 AM   
 By:   tarasis   (Member)

Sad to see it revert, as it really drives home that there is no chance of a Stanton sequel. I really enjoyed his Ajax movie and my wife, who watched it for the first time a couple of weeks back, also really liked it.

Still it will be interesting to see who, if anyone, will try and tackle it next.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 6:40 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Wow, that was fast. Disney really wanted to wash their hands of that property.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Disney didn't know how to do a proper sci-fi/fantasy film. No imagination beyond princesses and talking animals.

Just like "The Black Hole", which was truly dreadful. At least "John Carter" is a wonderful film, IMO.

It's just that Disney had no clue how to market it.

Makes me wonder about "Star Wars". They paid a considerable fortune for Lucasfilm...and the title is really "pre-"sold.

Still, that doesn't mean they won't mess up on "their" production of another film.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Disney didn't know how to do a proper sci-fi/fantasy film. No imagination beyond princesses and talking animals.

Just like "The Black Hole", which was truly dreadful. At least "John Carter" is a wonderful film, IMO.

It's just that Disney had no clue how to market it.

Makes me wonder about "Star Wars". They paid a considerable fortune for Lucasfilm...and the title is really "pre-"sold.

Still, that doesn't mean they won't mess up on "their" production of another film.


Yeah the SW's brand is a guaranteed commodity. If the prequels (which are very bad films) can make $300 million plus domestically, Disney shouldn't have any issues with the sequels.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

"He also mentions Warner Bros.’ plans for a new Tarzan film, saying that John Carter of Mars has the potential to “become another major franchise to entertain worldwide audiences of all ages.”

I dunno about that, it may have worked early last century, but it seems a stupid idea now. Add to that a truly terrible film that lost a fortune. I just can't think that the studios will be cueing up to throw more money at the would be franchise.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Actually, 'Scope, I found it to be a pretty terrific movie. Overall, I think its international earnings and video sales have seen it come near break-even.

If they'd marketed it correctly, it would have done much better.

And there is a lot of power in the John Carter tales...much better than most of the sci-fi/fantasy tripe being done today...IMO, of course.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

It was clear from a very early stage that Disney was never going to do a sequel and frankly I don't blame them. I found the entire film to be devoid of decent film-making; the screenplay was risible, the acting embaressing, the art direction almost non-existent ("hey look! Utah!"), the photography uninspired and the directing utterly flacid.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

It was clear from a very early stage that Disney was never going to do a sequel and frankly I don't blame them. I found the entire film to be devoid of decent film-making; the screenplay was risible, the acting embaressing, the art direction almost non-existent ("hey look! Utah!"), the photography uninspired and the directing utterly flacid.

So, you didn't like it then? big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Well every film has its fans, & I have more than my share of bad movies (right now the Blu-ray of Anaconda is winging its way to me from America), but I found myself skipping chapters on this one (I borrowed the DVD from my local library), & I just can't see a franchise in it. Maybe if it had been done as a full on 30's pulp science fiction with lots of colour instead of the drab looking film we got. I've always liked sci-fi, but it's a bit overkill with SF movies these days, I wish they'd get back to westerns, but not crap like, The Lone Ranger.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2014 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Maybe if it had been done as a full on 30's pulp science fiction with lots of colour instead of the drab looking film we got.


Bingo. This is it exactly.

And all those bozos had to do was film the book.
It had everything necessary.

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2014 - 5:35 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Mars is toxic. Has there ever been a successful film that takes place on Mars? The problem is two fold. Mars is a dead boring lifeless place if you film it realistically. Everyone knows there are no water canals, forests or bug like humanoids living there, so a fantasy approach is a hard sell. Star Wars and Star Trek work because they go to fictitious planets.

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2014 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

I wish they'd get back to westerns, but not crap like, The Lone Ranger.

So, you didn't like it then? big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2014 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   Membership Expired   (Member)

The title John Carter had almost zero audience recognition up until the moment it became an embarrassing flop.
No studio is gonna burn their fingers on that property for a long time.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2014 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

Mars is toxic. Has there ever been a successful film that takes place on Mars?.

Total Recall.

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2014 - 7:06 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Mars is toxic. Has there ever been a successful film that takes place on Mars?.

Total Recall.


Ah, good one! Slipped my mind. Though I am betting the success of that film lay largely on the chick with the three boobies. big grin

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2014 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Mars is a dead boring lifeless place if you film it realistically. Everyone knows there are no water canals, forests or bug like humanoids living there, so a fantasy approach is a hard sell.

I don't think this is a problem at all. Everyone knows there are no superheroes and yet they eat that stuff up.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2014 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

Mars is a dead boring lifeless place if you film it realistically. Everyone knows there are no water canals, forests or bug like humanoids living there, so a fantasy approach is a hard sell.

I don't think this is a problem at all. Everyone knows there are no superheroes and yet they eat that stuff up.


I think it's a problem. Yes people seem to accept the superhero stuff, but to have someone running around on Mars, happily breathing & meeting princess' is just a step too far. Maybe not when it was first published in 1912! (I've been on Wiki). Yes, Mars movies do seem doomed, although I do like Red Planet. I hope that all changes with Ridley Scott's The Martian.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2014 - 5:09 PM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

Actually, 'Scope, I found it to be a pretty terrific movie. Overall, I think its international earnings and video sales have seen it come near break-even.

If they'd marketed it correctly, it would have done much better.

And there is a lot of power in the John Carter tales...much better than most of the sci-fi/fantasy tripe being done today...IMO, of course.




I'm with you, Ron.

Besides, the character of John Carter is a real hero, not like all these shoot-'em-up drug lords with their endless car chases... Can't stand those movies. Went to see FROZEN last year, I think it was, and the 5 previews were all for pretty much the same kind of movie: gun battles, car chases, leggy women, scruffy men, explosions. They were all alike; only the titles were different.

One challenge with the John Carter books, though: he is only the central character in the first 3 books. After that, his son and daughter have books, and then there are other Americans who make the jump to Barsoom. Carter by that point is a more peripheral presence.

I loved Andrew Stanton's JOHN CARTER. Saw it 4 times in theatres. Wonderful adventure romance, like the movies I gawped at in my youth. So sorry Disney manhandled the publicity, so that you couldn't even tell what kind of film it was. They really screwed that one. (Although, to be honest, I hear it was Stanton himself who directed the campaign. Go figure...)

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2014 - 12:11 AM   
 By:   Paul Ettinger   (Member)

If they'd marketed it correctly, it would have done much better.

Yes, I quite enjoyed it as well. One of the few movies I went back to the theatre to see again.
But I couldn't get anyone to go with me. They just weren't interested in the poster or title. But those who I've shown it to on DVD have liked it.

But the marketing was bizarre in its attempt to hide any reference to what the movie was about.

The poster showed a guy in shorts walking towards you. Take my money now! I don't see how teenage sci-fi fans could've passed that up. Looked like a surfing movie poster to me. Or something. Maybe it was supposed to Rorschach-like where you project your own interpretation onto the poster.

 
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