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 Posted:   Oct 15, 2014 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

YouTube is our friend. Here's exactly what happened

Appreciated for having the evidence - but I don't have to view it to know he was very, very wrong.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2014 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

Also, having suffered a minor stroke myself a few years ago, I wouldn't wish one on my worst enemy -- so despite how I may or may not feel about Mr. Ellison personally, I hope he is able to successfully recover.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2014 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Thanks to Cindy and John for supplying words and pictures, respectively. Now I know. Does anyone know if at any time between 2006 and today Mr. Ellison ever made an apology which Ms. Willis found acceptable, or if in any way shape or form he has made amends?

LeHah, I'm a little confused by your two most recent posts, which seem to be at odds with each other somewhat. Or are you simply saying "A plague on both your houses"?

Apparently the blogger is one Carolyn Staechle, and I personally found no fault with her piece. Like an op ed column in the newspaper, she stated the facts as she understood them to be, and then commented on them. A reader is free to agree or not with her opinions, but there was no attempt which I could detect to disguise them as anything else. (And FWIW, and for my money, I thought she expressed them brilliantly. I wouldn't mind reading more from her, though I gather her main interest in expressing herself is as a visual artist/designer.)

The comments that I read were equally fascinating, and especially striking was the memory of Isaac Asimov shared by a lady who was once employed to handle his speaking arrangements and who had to fend off his fondling. Years ago I read a reminiscence by a gentleman who at a party introduced his significant other to Dr. Asimov, whereupon, rather than shake her hand, he had grabbed her breast. The tone of the anecdote was affectionate, sort of an "all in good fun, what a character" vein. I wonder what the tone would have been if it had been written by the lady.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2014 - 4:27 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Going to order that documentary on Ellison. Thanks Lehah.

Grabbing a boob briefly. Arguably akin to a woman grabbing a guy`s asscheek momentarily. Not of grave concern. A small-fry stupidity in a panoply of human experience.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2014 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

LeHah, I'm a little confused by your two most recent posts, which seem to be at odds with each other somewhat. Or are you simply saying "A plague on both your houses"?

I'm defensive of Mr. Ellison. He's long been one of my favorite authors and I've often found myself at odds with others who view him with various levels of disdain.

But I can't defend his groping a woman like that.

So it leaves me walking a knife edge of sorts. I still admire the man deeply but...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2014 - 8:46 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

One of the more sobering revelations all of us have to not just come to grips with but inevitably accept - as there's nothing that can be done to avoid it, dismiss it or pretend it doesn't exist in others no less or more than ourselves - is Talent has damn little (if anything at all) to do with Character.

Is there ANYONE extant who can say there aren't acts of which they're thoroughly ashamed but haven't been either witnessed in the privacy that provoked it or, vis-à-vis the current subject under scope, in public?

Doesn't excuse, justify or cleanse it.

Hell, not a minor majority of those supposedly 'stars' and 'legends' are guilty of equal if not exceedingly worst - and we see no jeremiads crucifying them.

We don't know the man in question - have never met, interviewed, dined or otherwise engaged other than as a fellow wordsmith worthy of admiration for only the ultimate aspect higher than his imperfect humanity: the legacy of his illuminated words and integrity on behalf of syllable-slingers everywhere.

We hope when something seriously awry falls upon each of us - as, one way or another, it will in some form or fashion - one hopes there are those who don't major in minor subjects and remember death will claim each of us. May there be those who will rise above and recall the lower as well as higher aspects we were heir to ...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2014 - 1:11 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Well said. And, well, that brings us full circle, doesn't it?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2014 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

Wow! This thread suddenly became very very hostile!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2014 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Oh dear... well at least this'll be locked soon and end it. For now.

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2014 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   AlexCope   (Member)

And I thought Harlan had issues!

Anyway, I just started reading An Edge In My Voice and am enjoying it immensely so far. In a way he reminds me of Bernard Herrmann in that his talent and fiery passion seem completely intertwined. Like Herrmann, no doubt he's burned many bridges as a result of his disposition, but his writing probably wouldn't be the same otherwise.

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2014 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Anyway, I just started reading An Edge In My Voice and am enjoying it immensely so far. In a way he reminds me of Bernard Herrmann in that his talent and fiery passion seem completely intertwined. Like Herrmann, no doubt he's burned many bridges as a result of his disposition, but his writing probably wouldn't be the same otherwise.

If you like that, I highly suggest you pick up the CDs DeepShag has been putting out for the last few years.

http://www.deepshag.com/artists/ellison.html

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2014 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)



For those who go back to before the Bronze Age, the above ish is absolutmundo MANDATORY. This no-holds barred, utterly-gone-for-don't-give-a-damn broke interview between publisher Gary Groth and the subject under scope for this thread created the kinda firestorm virtually unprecedented then or now.

So much so, it resulted inna equally celebrated follow-up court suit because of statements Mr. Ellison leveled against Mr. Fleischer.

Track it down - it's a classic for the ages ...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2014 - 6:13 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)



For those who go back to before the Bronze Age, the above ish is absolutmundo MANDATORY. This no-holds barred, utterly-gone-for-don't-give-a-damn broke interview between publisher Gary Groth and the subject under scope for this thread created the kinda firestorm virtually unprecedented then or now.

So much so, it resulted inna equally celebrated follow-up court suit because of statements Mr. Ellison leveled against Mr. Fleischer.

Track it down - it's a classic for the ages ...



I still have both of those issues.

If you can find it, I would also recommend the Rocket's Blast Comic Collector, which also has a rather lengthy and epic Ellison interview that came out in 1980 around the same time as the CJ issue. It has a nicely drawn adaptation of Soldier, by artist Kerry Gammell.

http://www.sequentialellison.com/bibliography/?p=38

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2014 - 6:15 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

From Clifford Meth's blog.

Harlan seems to be on the mend.

http://thecliffordmethod.blogspot.com/2014/10/a-kinder-gentler-harlan-ellison.html

Greg Espinoza

 
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