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I wanted to ask something:
To this date these are the unreleased Williams scores for films that were released theatrically:
(although Conrack has a released cue (and an isolated score + FX track on the Bluray), Killers has an iso score + FX in the Criterion DVD, and The Rare Breed has a suite released, I included them too)
Daddy-O (1959)
I Passed for White (1960)
Because They're Young (1960)
The Secret Ways (1961)
Gidget Goes to Rome (1963)
The Killers (1964) (isolated score & FX in Criterion DVD)
The Rare Breed (1966)
The Plainsman (1966)
Daddy's Gone A-Hunting (1969)
Story of a Woman (1970) (let me remind you that the sheet music is at Universal Libray, so a re-recording is possible)
Conrack (1974)
The Sugarland Express (1974)
and these are the scores for the TV movies:
Nightmare in Chicago (1964) (edited and expanded from Kraft Suspense episode)
Sergeant Ryker (1968) (edited and expanded from Kraft Suspense episodes)
The Screaming Woman (1972) (John Williams probably wrote just one cue, based on the credits of the film)
We know about Williams not wanting to release Sugarland Express.
So, about the others i think there are these options concerning their release:
1) Noone is interested in releasing them and noone is looking for them (FSM could be a possible contender, but it's not there anymore)
2) There is interest to release them, but the master tapes have been lost after they looked for them
3) There is interest to release them, they've found the master tapes, but there is a copyrights and budget issue, or other problems like with Sugarland Express.
So, what do you think is the most possible option?
Could any label possibly respond?
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Other members more knowledgeable than I would be able to answer your questions, but having seen "Pete n Tillie" I can say there's very little score. Of what's present is basically short reprises/hints of the main theme. I have the 45 rpm vinyl of the main theme (with Walter Matthau singing it on the B side) and that's perhaps the best representation of the score. EDIT: from memory I think there's less than 10 minutes of music.
If the score was to ever see a proper CD release it would best be paired with his other, sparser, scores - assuming there's not a whole heap of unreleased/unused cues. Given the director's style I doubt Williams would have composed a whole heap of music for PnT.
Also, having seen "The Rare Breed", there is a lot of music, but most of it is the main theme repeated. There's also a familiar bouncing ostinato near the end of the film that later would be reused to better effect for a certain Kryptonian. If you have the Silva Suite then you have most of the score for this film.
Still, I know that any official releases of any of these scores would see me buying them quicker than you could say "falling Aussie dollar". 
Yes, I know some films have little score (eg. Conrack has a total of approx. 18 minutes if we don't count the source cues a couple of which are possibly composed by Williams too), but that doesn't mean they couldn't be released, coupled with others.
(eg. Conrack + Pete 'n Tillie)
Also, in the Long Goodbye you hear the main theme constantly..
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A little aside: when I first got into Williams music, I happened to search for his name while I should have been studying at the National Library of Australia. I forget the book's name, but my search did indeed yield some results. In it Williams earlier works were discussed, and it was my first time to hear he had scored movies like Penelope, Fitzwilly, Not With My Wife You Don't, How to Marry A Millionaire, and Bachelor Flat. This was around 1992, and at the time it seemed like those scores were too obscure and too old to ever be released.
I'm not suggesting all the as yet unreleased scores will be released, but it is amazing to think what has been released in the last 10-15 years. I'm sure there will come a time when all the remaining unreleased Williams scores will be too old and obscure to be released, but hopefully we're not there yet.
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I wanted to ask something:
To this date these are the unreleased Williams scores for films that were released theatrically:
(although Conrack has a released cue (and an isolated score + FX track on the Bluray), Killers has an iso score + FX in the Criterion DVD, and The Rare Breed has a suite released, I included them too)
Daddy-O (1959)
I Passed for White (1960)
Because They're Young (1960)
The Secret Ways (1961)
Gidget Goes to Rome (1963)
The Killers (1964)
The Rare Breed (1966)
The Plainsman (1966)
Daddy's Gone A-Hunting (1969)
Story of a Woman (1970) (let me remind you that the sheet music is at Universal Libray, so a re-recording is possible)
Pene 'n' Tillie (1973)
Conrack (1974)
The Sugarland Express (1974)
I probably missed this in previous posts. Why is Williams so against releasing "Sugarland Express"?
Also, "Because They're Young" has a theme by Don Costa, recorded by Duane Eddy. Eddy released it at the time as a 45 on his label, Jamie Records. Perhaps there is a problem dealing with their recording.
and these are the scores for the TV movies:
Nightmare in Chicago (1964) (edited and expanded from Kraft Suspense episode)
Sergeant Ryker (1968) (edited and expanded from Kraft Suspense episodes)
The Screaming Woman (1972)
We know about Williams not wanting to release Sugarland Express.
So, about the others i think there are these options concerning their release:
1) Noone is interested in releasing them and noone is looking for them (FSM could be a possible contender, but it's not there anymore)
2) There is interest to release them, but the master tapes have been lost after they looked for them
3) There is interest to release them, they've found the master tapes, but there is a copyrights and budget issue, or other problems like with Sugarland Express.
So, what do you think is the most possible option?
Could any label possibly respond?
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I probably missed this in previous posts. Why is Williams so against releasing "Sugarland Express"?
Also, "Because They're Young" has a theme by Don Costa, recorded by Duane Eddy. Eddy released it at the time as a 45 on his label, Jamie Records. Perhaps there is a problem dealing with their recording.
It has been mentioned a couple of times that Williams kindly requested for Sugarland Express not to be released. (maybe when some label asked?)
We don't know the reason.
Apparently, maybe he thinks that it doesn't deserve a release, but on the other hand there are so many earlier scores of his that have been released.
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Let's add two scores for short films
The Katherine Reed Story (1965) - Robert Altman (the film had a special screening at UCLA last spring)
A timeless call (2008) - Steven Spielberg
well, the score for the first one is more like on the fly improvisations and adaptations of existing film music or other themes, and I doubt it would be released.
Since you added those, there is this first score too for "You are Welcome", the Newfoundland travelogue film.
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1) Noone is interested in releasing them and noone is looking for them
Can you really imagine a scenario where a label head would say "A score by the best known living film composer? Naah! Let's release 'Then Came Bronson' instead!"
There is no way any of our beloved specialty labels needs to be alerted to these scores. Maybe some of them are being worked on, undoubtedly some are lost, and some are stuck in rights hell. But given the obscurity of so many releases these days (I'm not knocking them, I love them!), there's no way the labels are uninterested in unreleased Williams.
I'm not so sure of that..
These appeal mostly to collectors and JW fans, and an X score for a more famous movie would sell more than a Williams score for a film noone has ever heard of.
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I was just thinking and checking a list:
The last release of an older Williams score that was not an expansion or original tracks of a re-recording, was in 2011 (Nightwatch - TV score [FSM]) and if we count theatrical films only, in 2010 (Family Plot [Varese]).
So, is there anything in the horizon this year of the titles posted in first post?
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Don't understand film music fan they want everything and anything,these obscure score are so essential than that?
well, it's partly as Thor said being a completist but to expand on that: not being a completist for the sake of it.
If a certain composer is your favourite of all, I think it's logical that you want to have anything he's ever written..
And yes, some of those scores are essential since they're undiscovered/underrated gems!
eg. Story of a Woman, The Secret Ways, Daddy's Gone A-Hunting (I remember this made me an impression when i was watching the film)
And Thor this why I still believe, contrary to Schiffy's opinion, that there is no interest in these scores..
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