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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3      Non-Film Score Discussion: Chef refuses customers use of Salt and Ketchup     1 2 3    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 10:45 AM     By:   Montana Dave   (Member) His way or the highway. I'll take the highway. But it does bring back fond memories of an 'I Love Lucy' episode where she was forced (in Paris) to put Ketchup on snails; and the Chef charged out of the kitchen and ran her out of his restaurant for doing so. www.nbc-2.com/story/26431234/hold-the-ketchup-at-one-ft-meyers-bistro-#.VAnb8cJdX7H    Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 12:27 PM     By:   Sirusjr   (Member) I say good for him! Stone Brewing was very against having Ketchup in their restaurants when they opened. As they put it in a long blog post: "Face it, for most people ketchup is a culinary crutch. It’s the thing people glob onto otherwise perfectly good food just as much as they do the stuff that’s at the bottom of the culinary echelon. It’s not that I hate ketchup—I’ve actually been known to appropriately dip a fry or a tot into it—but it’s more the idea of ketchup…this thing that so many allow to keep them in the culinary equivalent of barefoot and uneducated. In other words, it’s fine when appropriate ketchup is used appropriately, but by my studied calculation that happens approximately 0.0003% of the time. Mostly, it’s just a thinly veiled way of piling on spoonfuls of sugar (bound together by vinegar, salt and a cheap watery slurry of what once was some industrially grown tomatoes) onto food you’d otherwise never consider pouring sugar on." http://blog.stonebrewing.com/index.php/greg-koch-ketchup/ I personally love it when I order food that is so well-made that I don't feel the need to add anything to it. Good food should be that way and I have had plenty of dishes that didn't need a thing. Good fries shouldn't need ketchup, they should have their own sauce on top that shows off the flavors.    Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 12:33 PM     By:   joan hue   (Member) I'm with you, MD. I'd take the highway I'm paying for the food. It I want to use ketchup or salt or mustard or whatever, I should be able to. If I'm forbidden to use such items, I won't give them the PLEASURE of my company or my credit card and tip.    Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 12:45 PM     By:   Smitty   (Member) If I lived nearby, I would go there and pour an entire bottle of ketchup on my food just to piss him off.    Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 12:48 PM     By:   Mike_H   (Member) ...this thing that so many allow to keep them in the culinary equivalent of barefoot and uneducated.    Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 1:09 PM     By:   Mike_H   (Member)    Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 1:53 PM     By:   Adm Naismith   (Member) I do the same thing cooking for the family here at home. You have asked me to cook you a meal. I have considered the options and balanced the flavors accordingly. If it's meant to have a sauce, I would have made you one.    Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 1:58 PM     By:   Recordman   (Member) So stated by just another pretentious short order cook: ...this thing that so many allow to keep them in the culinary equivalent of barefoot and uneducated.    Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 2:07 PM     By:   Solium   (Member)    Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 2:20 PM     By:   mstrox   (Member) Sounds like some snobby crap to me    Posted:   Sep 5, 2014 - 11:01 PM     By:   BobJ   (Member) While I would never go to a restaurant like this, I say more power to him. That's the great thing about capitalism, people decide if they want to pay or not for such a service. If they like him, then I see no issue.    Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 10:32 AM     By:   Tall Guy   (Member) I'd say that salt and ketchup are two different considerations. Seasoning is very much according to taste, and a small sprinkling of salt may make the food more in line with what the customer is expecting. And as the person paying the bill, totally acceptable - BUT only if one tastes it first. A small adjustment of the chef's hard work is okay, especially on something that traditionally has salt on it such as some potato based products. Chucking a load of salt on food before you know how it tastes is crazy and probably a sign that you'll die young anyway. Ketchup is a whole other matter. As is mentioned elsewhere, if a sauce is required with a particular dish it'll come with one, or a choice of them, which may or may not include ketchup. Otherwise you should expect and deserve to be politely barred and redirected to the nearest McDonalds, where you might feel more at home    Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 10:54 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) Well health wise one should limit their salt. Chances are the restaurant uses canned goods for cooking and everything has salt in it already, from tomato sauce to vegies. But if I paid for the food I will do any damn thing I please with it.    Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 11:09 AM     By:   Montana Dave   (Member) I'd say that salt and ketchup are two different considerations. Seasoning is very much according to taste, and a small sprinkling of salt may make the food more in line with what the customer is expecting. And as the person paying the bill, totally acceptable - BUT only if one tastes it first. A small adjustment of the chef's hard work is okay, especially on something that traditionally has salt on it such as some potato based products. Chucking a load of salt on food before you know how it tastes is crazy and probably a sign that you'll die young anyway. Ketchup is a whole other matter. As is mentioned elsewhere, if a sauce is required with a particular dish it'll come with one, or a choice of them, which may or may not include ketchup. Otherwise you should expect and deserve to be politely barred and redirected to the nearest McDonalds, where you might feel more at home I like scrambled eggs with ketchup on the eggs. It wouldn't come with it, but that's how I like my scrambled eggs, with ketchup.    Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 2:12 PM     By:   MikeP   (Member) Sounds like some snobby crap to me Yeah, pretty much sounds like a hipster foodie douche. I mean, his joint, his rules and all that's fine, but the guy sounds like a jack off And hey, I even hate ketchup myself.    Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 3:51 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) People who want ketchup and salt can drag their asses to McDonald's, and they probably already do. I'm with the chef.    Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 4:27 PM     By:   Montana Dave   (Member) I'm with you, MD. I'd take the highway I'm paying for the food. It I want to use ketchup or salt or mustard or whatever, I should be able to. If I'm forbidden to use such items, I won't give them the PLEASURE of my company or my credit card and tip. I like ketchup, I like salt. But I don't put them on everything. The fact that this man insists on no other seasonings and for you to simply trust in him because he knows best, is quite simply, Fascism. (on a very small scale, of course.)    Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 4:33 PM     By:   Graham Watt   (Member) I'm with you, MD. I'd take the highway I'm paying for the food. It I want to use ketchup or salt or mustard or whatever, I should be able to. If I'm forbidden to use such items, I won't give them the PLEASURE of my company or my credit card and tip. I like ketchup, I like salt. But I don't put them on everything. The fact that this man insists on no other seasonings and for you to simply trust in him because he knows best, is quite simply, Fascism. (on a very small scale, of course.) Och, Montana, ye're awa' wi' the fairies! But in a way ye're richt. Salt oan absolutley everything should be an option fur aw the Scots oan Planet Cafeteeria, coz wi' never hae nowt wi'oot it!    Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 5:17 PM     By:   Montana Dave   (Member) I'm with you, MD. I'd take the highway I'm paying for the food. It I want to use ketchup or salt or mustard or whatever, I should be able to. If I'm forbidden to use such items, I won't give them the PLEASURE of my company or my credit card and tip. I like ketchup, I like salt. But I don't put them on everything. The fact that this man insists on no other seasonings and for you to simply trust in him because he knows best, is quite simply, Fascism. (on a very small scale, of course.) Och, Montana, ye're awa' wi' the fairies! But in a way ye're richt. Salt oan absolutley everything should be an option fur aw the Scots oan Planet Cafeteeria, coz wi' never hae nowt wi'oot it! Graham: You're trying to tell me something..    Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 5:50 PM     By:   mastadge   (Member) I don't see how this is fascism. The restaurant doesn't stock ketchup and doesn't make any claims to be other than it is. If I went into a sushi joint and demanded ketchup for my sushi, and they said they didn't have ketchup, and I tried to bring my own, it would be very reasonable to deny the use of outside condiments. If I went to a more "authentic" sushi joint where the custom was to trust the sushi chef and not drown the fish in soy sauce and wasabi mustard, it would be a jerk move of me to smuggle in my own soy sauce. It's a general condition of businesses to ask that people not bring in outside food, for a number of good reasons. But if you really can't stomach a dish without a certain ingredient, the onus is on you to find a place that stocks that ingredient, not on the restaurant to satisfy your preferences.     Non-Film Score Discussion: Chef refuses customers use of Salt and Ketchup    < 1 2 3  > >>  Go to page:  1 2 3   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3

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