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 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

There's too many threads talking about the sound quality of the recordings. If you want to jaw about that, go to one of those. THIS thread is about the music!

Gawd luv him, Lalo Schifrin is still alive and for no good reason I'm listening to this score over and over. Back in 1982, I wondered why a horror film got an Oscar nomination.

But now that I'm not a callow youngster, I can hear why. He does such interesting things with those strings, and so often! (And think about it: how often has a horror film gotten a score nomination? Not often.)

David Raksin said it once: "Those jazz guys, they can do ANYTHING!"

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 6:09 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

There appears to be a documentary about him out there. Awesome.

https://www.facebook.com/LaloSchifrinAppreciationSociety/posts/404837799630490?stream_ref=5

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 6:10 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

An interview about the score itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZdHpFkAjxE

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2014 - 8:50 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)


David Raksin said it once: "Those jazz guys, they can do ANYTHING!"


It's very true. It's a GREAT horror score. I love the strident, questing secondary themes are well, as our characters research and delve into the mystery of the house's past.

When he wanted to, Schifrin really could churn out some amazingly involved, detailed orchestral writing for his infrequent but amazing horror film scores. As I recall, his AMITYVILLE 2 score uses extended string techniques to an even greater degree which is to say nothing of 2006's ABOMINABLE, which has some truly textbook horror cues. I think creepy slurring bass string glissandos (glissandi?) are one of the most primordial and instantly effective horror devices, ever. They just work every damn time.

Still waiting for a release of the complete original score tapes for this, as well as AMITYVILLE 2, DAY OF THE ANIMALS and *especially* his amazing score to THE MANITOU!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 2:38 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

An interview about the score itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZdHpFkAjxE


Thanks for posting this!

Still waiting for a release of the complete original score tapes for this, as well as AMITYVILLE 2, DAY OF THE ANIMALS and *especially* his amazing score to THE MANITOU!!!

Seconded.

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 2:45 AM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Funny, I was just going to post about this score the other day and here's someone talking about it. It surely is one of the top ranking horror scores and deserves a lot more love on the release front than its had. I remember first hearing 'the axe' on a radio show and being bowled over by the atmosphere of it all. His use of strings is masterful throughout aside from the creepy kid stuff. The way they swirl around in the 'at the park' track always gave me goosebumps. Quite a feat that the second score sounded almost as good as the first. When will we ever see a decent release of either of these? It's a serious hole in the horror score history catalogue.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2014 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

Love it. One of the 1st scores that got me into this film music stuff when I was a kid.

I ALSO would love a proper release of this AMITYVILLE 2, DAY OF THE ANIMALS and THE MANITOU!

 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2014 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)


David Raksin said it once: "Those jazz guys, they can do ANYTHING!"


It's very true. It's a GREAT horror score. I love the strident, questing secondary themes are well, as our characters research and delve into the mystery of the house's past.

When he wanted to, Schifrin really could churn out some amazingly involved, detailed orchestral writing for his infrequent but amazing horror film scores. As I recall, his AMITYVILLE 2 score uses extended string techniques to an even greater degree


I wish now I could see it. There's no copies of it in the library. frown

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2014 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


I wish now I could see it. There's no copies of it in the library. frown


It is on youtube in 360potato. smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP4b66aks-A

 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2014 - 3:31 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)


I wish now I could see it. There's no copies of it in the library. frown


It is on youtube in 360potato. smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP4b66aks-A


Content blocked in the USA!

Dang.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2014 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)


I wish now I could see it. There's no copies of it in the library. frown


It is on youtube in 360potato. smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP4b66aks-A


Content blocked in the USA!

Dang.


Personally, I've always HATED Amityville 2 - Just a dreadful, mean-spirited, ugly film, and not in good/effective ways. Still, here's to a release of the score which matches the brutality of the film very well indeed...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2014 - 4:09 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)


I wish now I could see it. There's no copies of it in the library. frown


It is on youtube in 360potato. smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP4b66aks-A


Content blocked in the USA!

Dang.


Personally, I've always HATED Amityville 2 - Just a dreadful, mean-spirited, ugly film, and not in good/effective ways. Still, here's to a release of the score which matches the brutality of the film very well indeed...

 
 Posted:   Sep 7, 2014 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Is there a chance the proper score could still be released? I just wondered if that re-recording put out on Lalo Schifrin's label means that rights wise no one else can do it?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2014 - 2:01 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


Personally, I've always HATED Amityville 2 - Just a dreadful, mean-spirited, ugly film, and not in good/effective ways. Still, here's to a release of the score which matches the brutality of the film very well indeed...


Yes... to be honest I find the whole Amityville franchise one of the weaker ones in the horror genre, save for the Schifrin scores.

 
 Posted:   Sep 10, 2014 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/title/26158/Amityville+Horror,+The

"Disco Boogie Consultant." Hmmm.

If I left this life with only this credit as my legacy, I don't think I'd be unhappy! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 23, 2015 - 9:52 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Having recently re-watched this with a friend on Netflix, for shits and giggles and because he'd never seen it and was curious, I as struck by the score all over again and have been revisiting both the re-recording and the pristine-sounding Vinyl rip I have as well. Man, what a cool and addictive score.

Beyond the infamous main theme - Which, of course, is referenced constantly due to the effective simplicity of its first two-note construct, "Nah... NAH", something struck me this time that I'd never consciously realized before:

This score is incredibly AUTUMNAL sounding, even during some of the suspense scenes.

The film of course was shot during autumn, and clearly Schifrin used that as a point of inspiration. Those searching, questing, rolling string and woodwind textures do a fantastic job of evoking the red-orange-yellow pallet of leaves blowing in the wind, looking beautiful and wistful but hiding something sinister and dark beneath the surface beauty.

Frankly, it's a very exciting and compelling soundscape he's created here. Very, very effective writing.

Richard Band's THE ALCHEMIST and HOUSE ON SORORITY ROW, Robert Folk's THE SLAYER and James Horner's title theme from THE HAND and certainly his entire score for SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES all evoke a similar quality for me, a kind of breezy, churning, questing, autumnal, lyrical darkness. I'd even say Daniel Licht's BAD MOON title theme does that as well, John Debney's terrific DREAM HOUSE and THE HALLOWEEN TREE, and Alan Menken's fantastic (if obviously Saint-Saens inspired) main title from BEAUTY AND THE BEAST.

I'm sure there are others, but for me those come immediately to mind as falling in a similar vein of dark, wistful, autumnal lyricism.

Did Schifrin orchestrate this himself? IMDB doesn't credit one and I don't recall from the liner notes.

Love rediscovering a score I don't visit that as often these days!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2015 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

bobbengan,

Your comments on this score inspired me to revisit the film a couple days ago. I'd seen it sometime in elementary school (maybe twenty years ago) but I really didn't remember the film or the score at all (and even though I'm a big Schifrin fan - "The Fox" being a top ten score for me - I never sought out the LP or re-recording). The film itself is an odd beast - the performances are over-the-top in an almost stylized way, which wouldn't be a bad thing except the film itself isn't stylized & has a very serious tone that doesn't mesh with how high toned the performances are - but the score is brilliant.

The lullaby waltz is the typical horror device here, and it's good, but as you wrote it's the extremely autumnal feel of virtually every cue that's breathtaking. Schifrin said in the video interview posted above that he is a skeptic on the subject matter of the film, and the music - to my ears - reflects his detachment, resulting in an unusually personal approach to scoring a film in this genre. Schifrin doesn't seem to be interested in the horror or even the emotions so much as he is attracted to the surroundings of the house - the weather, trees, colors, wind - as well as the specific areas of the house - the walls and stairs, the closet, the basement. The lullaby is what seems to be scoring the "supernatural" element and there's a lovely and subtle "love theme," but these seem secondary to scoring the physical settings and the scenery. It's overall a very "Earth-bound" horror score. The cues that reflect this most strongly to me are "Get Out!" and "At the Park" from the LP and "The Staircase" from the re-recording. The movie is also photographed in such a way as to include trees and leaves and bushes in most of the exterior shots, so this somewhat "Earth-bound" approach seems to have been on Stuart Rosenberg's mind as well (the OTT performances compromise this, but that's a different discussion).

The orchestration, as you also pointed out, is also extremely rich, detailed, and full of color. I'm also very curious if Schifrin orchestrated this himself, but there doesn't seem to be any information available (maybe the LP sleeve?).

PS - shouldn't the year on the subject of this thread be changed to 1979, the year the film came out?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2015 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Well said Dylan. Indeed it is these earthen elements that Schifrin seemed to use as his main point of inspiration. You can hear echoes of this sound at times in THE MANITOU and definitely in ABOMINABLE from 2006, which I'd argue has more in common with his first Amityville score than the sequels score does.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2015 - 9:39 PM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

I saw "Amityville II: The Possession" around the same time I first saw the original, and while that film actually stuck with me better than the first one (probably because of how much weirder it is) I can't remember the score, but your description of it has me intrigued.

I've heard the main title of "The Manitou" and it's very interesting, and like "Amityville Horror" it's probably worth sitting through that film just to know what Schifrin does there. I've sampled "Abominable" which is also very interesting so I'll have to track that CD down.

Schifrin has a few more horror scores. The one I'm familiar with is for the trashy horror thriller "The Seduction," for which Schifrin provided an excellent & very Pino Donaggio/Richard Band-like score (for a director who mostly worked with Donaggio and Band!) but being a score with lush suspense cues & a big love theme at its center (a song version of which Dionne Warwick sings over the main title!) it's far and away from "The Amityville Horror." I'd love a release of this, though - the "hot tub love scene" cue is for me a real gem and I'd love to hear that away from the ridiculous scene it accompanies!

A few more: "The Day of the Animals" is one of that gets brought up quite often on here and I've heard the main title for that which is very neat. "Eye of the Cat" is another one, and the main title for that is also quite neat. Then a later horror score for Sean S. Cunningham's "The New Kids" (for which Schifrin was hired after the studio tossed out Harry Manfredini's score), which having not seen the film I haven't heard a note of.

Then there's the dissonance of his rejected score for "The Exorcist," which as I understand only a few minutes of which were recorded. And a frightening few minutes they are!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 27, 2015 - 10:44 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Dylan, knowing that you like thematic horror scores, you MUST watch THE MANITOU just to hear the whole score in context. It's great, diverse, lots of thematic passages and a wonderfully upbeat end title that perfectly captures the late 70's orchestral scoring paradigms of the day.

DAY OF THE ANIMAL also has some great dissonance (that main title you mentioned) and big thematic passages, and an eerily somber and disquieting end title for solo (Celeste? Glockenspiel? E-Piano? Can't tell). I've had ABOMINABLE since it first came out in '06 (an early CD purchase for me as age 13!) and it's very solid horror scoring.

You mentioned his rejected music from THE EXORCIST - Can it actually be heard somewhere? It's my understanding that it's lost to the ages.

 
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