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"The fact that a topic like this even exists is a sign that there is not much to talk about real film music around here nowadays..."
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As a lot of people's contributions around here amount to "ORDERED" I don't know quite what to say.
It seems to me a lot of people STOPPED DISCUSSING the music a long time ago, outside of a few stalwarts.
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THE MAGIC FLUTE is among my all time favorites, I have loved this opera ever since I was a (rather young) child and my parents took me to a performance. In fact, it has only grown on me over the years. :-)
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To the original question: I'm beginning to think so.
I also love Jerry Goldsmith but as I posted on the Dennis The Menace thread, there seems to be this neediness on the part of *SOME* fans (a minority, I hasten to add) to see everyone stand up and cheer everything he ever did. If someone doesn't, they consternate and create worried threads to overturn this wrongness in the world.
That neediness is creepy. And, yes, it is absolutely insecurity.
Like I said in that other place: happiness (and security) is not needing anyone to validate your love of something.
Cheers
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To the original question: I'm beginning to think so.
I also love Jerry Goldsmith but as I posted on the Dennis The Menace thread, there seems to be this neediness on the part of *SOME* fans (a minority, I hasten to add) to see everyone stand up and cheer everything he ever did. If someone doesn't, they consternate and create worried threads to overturn this wrongness in the world.
That neediness is creepy. And, yes, it is absolutely insecurity.
Like I said in that other place: happiness (and security) is not needing anyone to validate your love of something.
Cheers
Well said, Stephen. And my thoughts exactly (also speaking as a Goldsmith fan).
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To the original question: I'm beginning to think so.
I also love Jerry Goldsmith but as I posted on the Dennis The Menace thread, there seems to be this neediness on the part of *SOME* fans (a minority, I hasten to add) to see everyone stand up and cheer everything he ever did. If someone doesn't, they consternate and create worried threads to overturn this wrongness in the world.
That neediness is creepy.
We could rename Goldsmith Godsmith and start up a crusade to convert the world. Love Godsmith, or be beheaded. (That'll teach 'em.)
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Thor wrote:
I also think -- as an observation here -- that the comments riling over how 'pointless' or 'trolling' this thread is (when it is anything but) are a symptom of the very thing it's trying to investigate. Interesting.
In my case, at least, you are mistaken.
While I'm an enthusiastic admirer of Goldsmith's music, he is not my alpha and omega. My favourite composer, as those who've been paying attention should know by now, is actually John Barry, and I'm happy to discuss his real limitations.
When I wrote:
If the OP is seriously raising a question, then, given there's no way to objectively answer it, it's a waste of time.
If, on the other hand, the OP is simply presenting, in the guise of a question, an attack on Goldsmith's fans, then it's trolling, and is similarly a waste of time.
I did so because this is where logic took me.
It is not possible to measure the degree to which Goldsmith fans are "insecure" (because you can't measure insecurity, and you haven't identified the people you refer to) and therefore there can be no verifiable answer. If the question admits of no reliable answer, it's surely pointless.
If the object is to criticise Goldsmith's fans (a supposition that seems borne out by no small number of the replies to this thread) then what else is it but trolling?
I'm not being sensitive over Goldsmith; I have no emotional attachment to him or his reputation. I DO object, on the other hand, to some of the rubbish on this forum that purports to be "discussion".
If you'd care to dispute my logic, I'll be happy to discuss it with you. Until then, please refrain from ascribing motives to me which are not mine.
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If they're insecure, it's only about the films he got to score, not his music.
That's a good point. It's arguable that Jerry was the best composer for terrible films. Case in point is DAMNATION ALLEY. A complete presentation of the score with the missing synth elements is probably the holiest Goldsmith grail at this time. And the film was a real stinker.
That's certainly true about DAMNATION ALLEY, but Goldsmith scored a lot of movies, a lot more than Bernard Herrmann or John Williams. Highly prolific composers, such as Morricone, Steiner, Goldsmith, etc. usually score more potboilers than those who are more selective about their projects.
He also scored CHINATOWN, a bona fide motion picture classic if there ever was one. :-)
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