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 Posted:   Oct 19, 2015 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


You say that like it's a bad thing.


You infer that I say it like it's a bad thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2015 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I've loved this film since I first saw it when it came out all those years ago. I have the French Blu-ray, which I think looks fine. I had the soundtrack on LP then CD, & I still enjoy it. Would I buy an expanded soundtrack? Yes, but as I say, I'm quite happy with what I have. The album was on A & M records, now part of the UMG label (along with just about everything else!), so an expended release would be Fox & Universal Music Group, I don't think it's going to happen.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2021 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   principal_archivist   (Member)

I apologize for my delay in finding this thread, but I think I can be a little bit helpful here.

The original masters for the Tipton material in Phantom (and all the other music, including the wedding music, apart from the Williams songs) were lost in a flood in Gary Ulmer's storage space (Gary ran MRI studios back in the day), along with a tremendous number of other masters. I know this because Paul Williams and I went looking for these tapes a few years ago when a boutique label expressed interest in producing a "comprehensive" release of the music.

So, unless someone finds dupes of those tapes someday, the closest we can probably get to masters is the Music & Effects track that can be found on the Shout Factory bluray release.

But what I think a lot of folks don't realize is that much of the music in the film that is generally and mistakenly attributed to Tipton is actually Beethoven...and so it's readily available.

For example, the music that plays during Winslow's escape from prison, and Swan visiting Phoenix in her dressing room...that's all Beethoven.

The prison escape is Beethoven's Piano Quartet in E-Flat Major, WoO 36, No. 1: II. Allegro con Spirito. I've posted it here: https://swanarchives.org/audio/Escape%20from%20Sing%20Sing.mp3

And the music accompanying Swan's visit to Phoenix is the second movement of Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 1. Also posted: https://swanarchives.org/audio/namethattune.mp3

So for anyone who's still interested after all these years, I hope that's helpful.

 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2021 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Thanks, Principal.
It's all to the good to add to the wealth of knowledge.
The Beethoven bits were a perfect fit!

Between that flood and the 2008 Universal fire, Paul Williams's luck with those in charge of his masters has been left wanting.
Thank goodness there are already a few fine editions of the A&M recordings, but the whole situation still makes me sick in my gut.
Regardless, it gave me quite a pick-me-up to read that you and he were trying to track down the score elements.

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2021 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

And the music accompanying Swan's visit to Phoenix is the second movement of Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 1. Also posted: https://swanarchives.org/audio/namethattune.mp3

Interesting that this too is an arrangement for (apparently) Piano Quartet, as it is originally of course for solo piano. It's been too long since I've seen Phantom to remember this music. Guess that means time to watch it again!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2021 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   principal_archivist   (Member)

And the music accompanying Swan's visit to Phoenix is the second movement of Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 1. Also posted: https://swanarchives.org/audio/namethattune.mp3

Interesting that this too is an arrangement for (apparently) Piano Quartet, as it is originally of course for solo piano. It's been too long since I've seen Phantom to remember this music. Guess that means time to watch it again!


So it turns out Beethoven used this piano part twice...in the Piano Sonata No. 1, and also in his Piano Quartet in C major, WoO 36 No. 3, Adagio Con Expressione. The version in Phantom (and to which I linked above, sorry for my error) is the Quartet.

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2021 - 7:04 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Ah, cool, didn't realize that the movement of the piano sonata was also in the quartet - I don't know the Beethoven chamber music very well. Thanks for clarifying!

 
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