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 Posted:   Aug 28, 2014 - 6:32 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Of the scores I've been hoovering through recently, catching up with the music of John Scott, this is probably the one I've been most disappointed with so far (it must be added the quality of the others has set the bar quite high).
It's mainly tension and suspense cues, with a waltz, a quadrille and some darker material for Indian sacrifices and dances to Kali thrown in for good measure.
There is a pleasant (and memorable) Love Theme, heard first in Journey To Madya, tentatively in William & Sarah and given a nice rendition for the End Credits.
I do like the tracks Purge, Tiger Hunt and Defeat Of Deceivers, wherein PJ blasts things open a bit and throws off the shackles, but overall, the nature of the film must dictate the music on offer and it doesn't make great standalone listening for me.
Any thoughts from the assembled FSM masses?

Oh well, onto Winter People and his rejected Prayer For The Dying smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2014 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Any thoughts from the assembled FSM masses?


Some thoughts on THE DECEIVERS by one FSMer.

THE DECEIVERS is within my Top 5 favorite soundtracks by John Scott:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=81122&forumID=1&archive=0

Along with THE LONG DUEL, THE DECEIVERS demonstrates Scott's facility for writing music with "Indian" scales/intervals.
I think JS is 2nd only to Malcolm Arnold in this regard. [my favorite "Indian"-styled film score is Arnold's NINE HOURS TO RAMA].

What I like about THE DECEIVERS is that (for a late 1980s score) 1) its romantic/lyrical theme is restricted to minimum appearances and 2) it emphasizes both the ethnic aspects and dissonance.
In other words, the characteristics which I like most are the very ones which elicits Kev McGann's ambivalence. (though, I, too, could do without the source music cues).

As a related aside, the 1959 Hammer movie THE STRANGLERS OF BOMBAY covers the same type of story material as THE DECEIVERS. Leslie Halliwell considered THE STRANGLERS OF BOMBAY as one of the most gruesome and sickening pictures of its time, though most of today's viewers might find it slow-moving and not sensational enough.

Having listened to both LPs of THE LONG DUEL and THE DECEIVERS for over 25 years (I've owned them since 1988), I've fantasized about how much better an "Indian" score by John Scott would have been for 1974's THE GOLDEN VOYAGE OF SINBAD than the one provided by Miklos Rozsa.

 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2014 - 4:31 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Aug 28, 2014 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)


There is a pleasant (and memorable) Love Theme, heard first in Journey To Madya, tentatively in William & Sarah and given a nice rendition for the End Credits.


While I agree that as a WHOLE this isn't Scott's best work, these cues, as well as that ripping action piece near the end, make for an excellent 15 min. suite. I just love that end title/love theme. Such a wonderful melody, and as always his orchestrational finesse is sublime. Few can come near his gift as a composer, and certainly almost no one working today.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2016 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

I haven't got the CD in front of me to name tracks, but i recently started listening to this again, and i think it's really great. It's one where i can listen to the whole thing without any trouble and really enjoy it. The CD starts off well and ends really satisfyingly. I like the little touches of synth in there and the sitar (?). There's some good suspense music too and the music that accompanies a massacre and the tracks near the end are quality. I just really enjoy it, but don't have any other John Scott stuff. Is it similar in any way? You all seem to like his other stuff better than this.

 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2016 - 10:17 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

I just really enjoy it, but don't have any other John Scott stuff. Is it similar in any way?

This score is not dissimilar to many other John Scott scores. He has a signature style -- perhaps not as obvious as John Barry's, but his musical voice is distinctive, and he has tackled a number of "epic" subjects with a similarly large-scale sound.

If you like The Deceivers I recommend Greystoke and (my personal favorite) Antony and Cleopatra, as well as his concert work "A Colchester Symphony". Some of his scores for Jacques Cousteau's television programs are also nicely epic (Australia / St. Lawrence, and Cape Horn / Channel Islands).

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2016 - 11:19 PM   
 By:   The Wanderer   (Member)

I just really enjoy it, but don't have any other John Scott stuff. Is it similar in any way?

This score is not dissimilar to many other John Scott scores. He has a signature style -- perhaps not as obvious as John Barry's, but his musical voice is distinctive, and he has tackled a number of "epic" subjects with a similarly large-scale sound.

If you like The Deceivers I recommend Greystoke and (my personal favorite) Antony and Cleopatra, as well as his concert work "A Colchester Symphony". Some of his scores for Jacques Cousteau's television programs are also nicely epic (Australia / St. Lawrence, and Cape Horn / Channel Islands).


Thanks for that, Paul. Ill check out what I can of those.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 17, 2016 - 11:26 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

This score is not dissimilar to many other John Scott scores. He has a signature style -- perhaps not as obvious as John Barry's, but his musical voice is distinctive, and he has tackled a number of "epic" subjects with a similarly large-scale sound.

I disagree with this statement to an almost parodic degree. Scott has one of the most immediately distinct voices of any film composer, and unlike Barry, is a MASTER orchestrator - Truly the Maurice Ravel of film music, as someone else on this board once said (and also a far better tunesmith than Barry in my opinion, but I'll duck out of any argument now before people start crying my damnation for that statement). ANTONY AND CLEOPATRA alone I've listened to more than all of Barry's scores put together.

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2016 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

This score is not dissimilar to many other John Scott scores. He has a signature style -- perhaps not as obvious as John Barry's, but his musical voice is distinctive, and he has tackled a number of "epic" subjects with a similarly large-scale sound.

I disagree with this statement to an almost parodic degree. Scott has one of the most immediately distinct voices of any film composer, and unlike Barry, is a MASTER orchestrator - Truly the Maurice Ravel of film music, as someone else on this board once said (and also a far better tunesmith than Barry in my opinion, but I'll duck out of any argument now before people start crying my damnation for that statement). ANTONY AND CLEOPATRA alone I've listened to more than all of Barry's scores put together.



I never said John Barry was a better composer (or orchestrator) than John Scott. I merely said John Scott has a signature style.

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2016 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   Paul Ettinger   (Member)

This is also in my top 5 of John Scott scores. Easily one of his best scores deftly combining the rich Scott orchestral sound with ethnic Indian instruments and styles. Compare this with THE SECOND JUNGLE BOOK where the budget did not allow for the inclusion of traditional Indian instruments to augment the orchestra.

If you do like this style then I'd also recommend Scott's MOUNTBATTEN: THE LAST VICEROY, Patrick Doyle's A LITTLE PRINCESS and Yoko Kanno's ESCAFLOWNE.

A great score in my opinion!

 
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