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 Posted:   Aug 30, 2014 - 1:33 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

The cloud was very ominous, threatening and mysterious. It also had shape and form. It was also enhanced a great deal by the score and sound effects. I absolutely loved the Vger cloud.

Absolutely. Perfect marriage of dread and wonder.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2014 - 5:38 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

The original film had the cloud measuring over 82 AUs in diameter. The distance of earth to the sun is 1 AU, about 93,000,000 miles. The cloud would have engulfed the solar system and had the mass of roughly a red giant star. The point is, first time round it was impractically big.

1 Astronomical Unit = 149,597,871 kilometres

The Director's Edition reworded the script to make the cloud 2 AUs, which is about the diameter of earth's low eccentricity orbit around the sun. That's still a massive object by our standards.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2014 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

- The original film had the cloud measuring over 82 AUs in diameter. The distance of earth to the sun is 1 AU, about 93,000,000 miles. The cloud would have engulfed the solar system and had the mass of roughly a red giant star. The point is, first time round it was impractically big.

Which pretty much means that all V'Ger had to do in order to destroy Earth was simply pass by it. Poor Robert Wise. His films never really got the length thing down when it came to space. His iconic film, The Day the Earth Stood Still stated that Klaatu travelled 250 million miles to get to Earth. That's not only enough distance for Klaatu's planet to be within our own solar system, it would also be fairly close to Earth in comparison to Jupiter that is more than 360 miles away when we're closest to it.

I am very thankful for the Director's Edition. Not just to trying to clear up a flub like 82 AUs, but also getting rid of that annoying computer voice that was so intrusive. I'd be curious to know what that was all about. Was it a post-production thing that was meant as a place holder for a more appropriate voice? I was so glad that was removed and replaced with a more appropriate female computer voice. The Enterprise is a lady gawddangit!

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2014 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

DP

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2014 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

- The original film had the cloud measuring over 82 AUs in diameter. The distance of earth to the sun is 1 AU, about 93,000,000 miles. The cloud would have engulfed the solar system and had the mass of roughly a red giant star. The point is, first time round it was impractically big.

Which pretty much means that all V'Ger had to do in order to destroy Earth was simply pass by it. Poor Robert Wise. His films never really got the length thing down when it came to space. His iconic film, The Day the Earth Stood Still stated that Klaatu travelled 250 million miles to get to Earth. That's not only enough distance for Klaatu's planet to be within our own solar system, it would also be fairly close to Earth in comparison to Jupiter that is more than 360 miles away when we're closest to it.

I am very thankful for the Director's Edition. Not just to trying to clear up a flub like 82 AUs, but also getting rid of that annoying computer voice that was so intrusive. I'd be curious to know what that was all about. Was it a post-production thing that was meant as a place holder for a more appropriate voice? I was so glad that was removed and replaced with a more appropriate female computer voice. The Enterprise is a lady gawddangit!


Hated it at the time and for years after. But you know what? Now I miss it. It's so ingrained in my mind I can't watch the movie without hearing that emergency alert voice. I prefer the original over the Lucasfied directors cut.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2014 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

The computer voice had gone by me. I did have a look at some of the scenes today from the Director's Edition. There is a tracking shot of Enterprise finally on it's way into the Vger maw that was not part of the original movie. The geometrical objects Enterprise is weaving through look very basic. The bit-mapping is all of the same color for blending purposes and detail consistency and to hide the fact the geometry modelled is pretty basic and low-res by cinematic standards. Some of the newer inserted shots are OK, some are not. I don't think George Lucas would have approved of most of them. But then, of course, it was only meant for release on DvD.

It was quite obvious there were two main title variations - the original for the cinematic release and the one that came out on the LP. You can hear both on the La La Land, 3 CD release. When I first heard the MT on the Director's Edition it immediately became clear they had ditched the one from the theatrical release and substituted it with the version from the LP album. There's a lifetime's worth of argument in determining which variation is the best! wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2014 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

- But then, of course, it was only meant for release on DvD.

Which is why we don't have it on BluRay. Dig this though. All of the digital files that were made to create the Director's Edition were saved. Even the digital model of the Enterprise has been receiving updates by Daren Dochterman to the point where, and I'm quoting him here,

"She’s been totally rebuilt and now there are no bits left from the Director’s Edition model except for the interior of the Arboretum!" - http://blog.darendoc.com/?author=1#sthash.IbJSyVW7.dpuf

And to be quite honest, the film would have to go through another HD transfer for the Director's Edition to look good on BluRay. While the Director's Edition was alright, it had a lot of uneven instances where some scenes would look crisp while other scenes had so much dirt and scratches on the print that it ruined the scene. I think one reason why this happened was the re-subtitling of Spock's kolinahr ceremony. They probably went to the untouched and uncleaned negative in order to place the new subtitles but didn't have the time or money to clean the scene up.

Plus the BluRay that is out right now had it's own unique share of problems. The image has been DNR'd within an inch of it's life, with the Enterprise looking extremely soft and not very detailed.

There is still hope however. Paramount seems to have gotten a new team in line to work on the home video market and one of the first things they've done is release a complete version of "Star Trek Into Darkness" with an Imax version of the film and all the bonus material that was cut and spread across all the retailers as exclusives. And if you bought any of those version or just the Trek09 movie, you can get $5 back. Nothing too serious, but it's a step.

...and even though it rings of Lucas, I'd still like to see this.
http://blog.darendoc.com/?p=1060

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2014 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   TM2-Megatron   (Member)

Releasing STID properly is one thing, it's both a money-making blockbuster and obviously didn't need any restoration work to get it looking great for Blu-Ray.

But I have no faith in Paramount to treat the classic Trek films properly on Blu-Ray. The constant re-packaging of the first 10 movies into various collections, all using the same bonus features and sub-par transfers is enough of an indication of how they currently view the films. I wish it were possible to yoink 1-10 out of Paramount's hands and give them to CBS, who seem to have put a lot more care into their Blu-Ray releases of the Star Trek television properties. What I wouldn't give to see fully restored versions of the classic films, looking better than they ever have. CBS Digital did wonders with the model shots from TNG; I can only imagine what the 1701 refit (arguably the most beautiful Enterprise design to date) would look like if those shots were all recomposited, giving us a look at never-before-seen details of the model. And unlike what was done to Star Wars with the special editions, CBS Digital remains very faithful in their recreation of effects shots.

I don't even own any of the Star Trek films on Blu-Ray, with the exception of Trek '09 (which I found a fun ride, if not nearly as good as the Prime Universe). Yet I own the entirety of The Original Series and Enterprise, as well as all the currently-available seasons of TNG on Blu, and look forward to purchasing DS9 whenever it starts becoming available. I won't be purchasing any of the films until they receive the treatment they deserve, however, which may mean I have to stick with my 2-disc DVD editions for quite some time.

At least FSM, LLL, Intrada and Varese have allowed me to enjoy the wonderful scores from all those films, though, even if I currently can't own them in HD.

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2015 - 5:35 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


Hi All -- This book is back in stock at Creature Features and, for convenience, now available at Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Return-Tomorrow-Filming-Motion-Picture/dp/098391754X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1427326484&sr=1-1&keywords=return+to+tomorrow

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2015 - 5:07 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

I must say the chronological presentation of snippets, information, and interviews is quite compelling. As much as I`m enjoying it, the really good news is its over 650 pages long!

Still not far into it, but getting there.

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2016 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Down to the last 60 or so pages...

The part where a film critic thought the Klingon's were aliens on V'ger, and wondered where they went at the end of the film, and then deduced they had to cut them out for budget reasons. LMAO!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2016 - 6:07 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

By all means add anything you'd like here--

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=104552&forumID=1&archive=0

 
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