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 Posted:   Aug 25, 2014 - 9:55 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I just figured out that melody of the opening phrase of "Holly" uses the same rhythmic values as the opening phrase of "Moon River."

Slow learner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUHrDtFYG_A

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2014 - 10:20 PM   
 By:   Ludwig van   (Member)

How about John Barry's "Goldfinger"? I like Leslie Bricuesse's story about hearing it for the first time. As Jon Burlingame notes in The Music of James Bond,

"So," said Bricuesse, "we went over to [Barry's] apartment in Cadogan Square, number 65, went upstairs and schmoozed for a bit. And then he sat down at the piano and played dah-DAH-dah [the opening three notes] and Newley [Bricuesse's writing partner on the project] and I both went, 'wider than a mile . . .' without even looking at each other." They were pointing out, somewhat sarcastically, that Barry's opening three notes were identical to those of Henry Mancini's popular, and Oscar-winning, song "Moon River."

"John was not amused," Newley later remembered.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2014 - 10:23 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

How about John Barry's "Goldfinger"? I like Leslie Bricuesse's story about hearing it for the first time. As Jon Burlingame notes in The Music of James Bond,



Yeah, but "Goldfinger" only has the first three syllables. And they are not in the same rhythm as "Holly" and "Moon River." And "Goldfinger" doesn't recreate the "Wider than a Mile" phrase that "Holly" includes.

This must have been deliberate on Mancini's part.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2014 - 10:51 PM   
 By:   roy phillippe   (Member)

How about John Barry's "Goldfinger"? I like Leslie Bricuesse's story about hearing it for the first time. As Jon Burlingame notes in The Music of James Bond,

"So," said Bricuesse, "we went over to [Barry's] apartment in Cadogan Square, number 65, went upstairs and schmoozed for a bit. And then he sat down at the piano and played dah-DAH-dah [the opening three notes] and Newley [Bricuesse's writing partner on the project] and I both went, 'wider than a mile . . .' without even looking at each other." They were pointing out, somewhat sarcastically, that Barry's opening three notes were identical to those of Henry Mancini's popular, and Oscar-winning, song "Moon River."

"John was not amused," Newley later remembered.


There are many songs that share the same opening intervals. The first 3 notes of "Misty" and the first 3 notes of "Ebb Tide" are the same. The similarity of "Moon River" and "Goldfinger" is the most popular example.






















 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2014 - 11:10 PM   
 By:   Ludwig van   (Member)

Yeah, but "Goldfinger" only has the first three syllables. And they are not in the same rhythm as "Holly" and "Moon River." And "Goldfinger" doesn't recreate the "Wider than a Mile" phrase that "Holly" includes.

This must have been deliberate on Mancini's part.


No doubt, especially as Breakfast at Tiffany's is essentially a "theme score", that is, a score with a theme that dominates throughout, even if in transformed guises. Like, say, Back to the Future, or The Accidental Tourist, both of which have interesting transformations of their respective themes.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2014 - 11:24 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Well, Newley and Bricusse don't get off that easy. What Kind of Fool Am I - listen to the opening notes of How High the Moon - identical.

 
 Posted:   Aug 25, 2014 - 11:59 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

How about John Barry's "Goldfinger"? I like Leslie Bricuesse's story about hearing it for the first time. As Jon Burlingame notes in The Music of James Bond,

"So," said Bricuesse, "we went over to [Barry's] apartment in Cadogan Square, number 65, went upstairs and schmoozed for a bit. And then he sat down at the piano and played dah-DAH-dah [the opening three notes] and Newley [Bricuesse's writing partner on the project] and I both went, 'wider than a mile . . .' without even looking at each other." They were pointing out, somewhat sarcastically, that Barry's opening three notes were identical to those of Henry Mancini's popular, and Oscar-winning, song "Moon River."

"John was not amused," Newley later remembered.



Imagine how Michael Caine must have felt. 'You kept me up all night for this?!"

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2014 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Ludwig van   (Member)

Well, Newley and Bricusse don't get off that easy. What Kind of Fool Am I - listen to the opening notes of How High the Moon - identical.

Absolutely, as you've pointed out before. That figure is quite conventional for an opening - probably dozens more examples could be found. The Moon River opening is much more distinctive and far less common. In this particular anecdote, the freshness of Moon River's success in everyone's mind surely also helped evoke it when they heard Barry play that very distinctive figure.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2014 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Ludwig van   (Member)

How about John Barry's "Goldfinger"? I like Leslie Bricuesse's story about hearing it for the first time. As Jon Burlingame notes in The Music of James Bond,

"So," said Bricuesse, "we went over to [Barry's] apartment in Cadogan Square, number 65, went upstairs and schmoozed for a bit. And then he sat down at the piano and played dah-DAH-dah [the opening three notes] and Newley [Bricuesse's writing partner on the project] and I both went, 'wider than a mile . . .' without even looking at each other." They were pointing out, somewhat sarcastically, that Barry's opening three notes were identical to those of Henry Mancini's popular, and Oscar-winning, song "Moon River."

"John was not amused," Newley later remembered.



Imagine how Michael Caine must have felt. 'You kept me up all night for this?!"


LOL

 
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