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 Posted:   Jul 31, 2014 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Finally watched this movie. I remember seeing trailers for it when it was first coming out and some of the trailers, to be honest gave it a sort of amateurish feeling. And so I was apprehensive about this movie. Since those initial trailers and the way they were edited and after seeing the film now, my mind has completely changed. This movie had me in tears. The heartfelt story of the Cristeros and and their fight for religious freedom really got to me. Andy Garcia who usually plays a dick, was great as the retired military general who is hired to build an army to fight the evil oppression in Mexico. Cue Horner's "Danger" motif! Ha ha. Even though Horner recycled pretty much note for note his Main Theme from THE FOUR FEATHERS, his music score works greatly with the picture. I just don't know why he reuses music from picture to picture. It just doesn't make sense. However like I said it still works wonderfully and powerfully. I found myself crying at least 3 time during the film. I guess since it had such a strong religious story, of course it died at the box office and was considered a pretty big flop. That's sad. It totally worked for me. I truly enjoyed Garcia's performance and Ruben Blades gave a great turn as the Bad Guy leader of Mexico who wanted to end all religion in his country. Eva Longoria was quite good and for me totally unrecognizable as Garcia's wife. Maurcio Kuri, the young actor playing the boy who joined up to be a Cristero was truly wonderful in his heartfelt, heartbreaking and ultimately heroic performance as Jose. Peter O'toole I believe in his last role as the old priest who is the young boy's mentor and inspiration was nice. All of the supporting players were very well cast and brought a sense of reality to the proceedings. Bruce Greenwood best known for playing Capt. Pike in the New Star Trek was excellent and endearing as the U.S. to Mexico Ambassador. I really loved him in this. Bruce McGill who had basically a walk on as President Calvin Coolidge was totally wasted in that part. They should have just hired an extra that looked more like the actual President.

I highly recommend seeing this film. To return to Horner's score just for a second, I remember buying the CD, back when the film was released theatrically and one theme in the movie, the one done Vocally just totally reminded me and sounds like Leonard Bernstein's ONE HAND, ONE HEART Love Theme from WEST SIDE STORY. Works great in the film.

Please share your views on Film and Score of FOR GREATER GLORY!

Thanks.


 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2014 - 5:59 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Started the movie but haven't finished it yet. The score is honestly one of my favorites of Horner's. I know in parts it's very derivative of his other works, and yet as a whole it works better for me than many of the scores from which it draws -- for instance The Four Feathers never really worked for me, but this one takes that theme and makes it bold and exciting. "Cristeros" is one of my favorite Horner cues of all time.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2014 - 6:05 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Started the movie but haven't finished it yet. The score is honestly one of my favorites of Horner's. I know in parts it's very derivative of his other works, and yet as a whole it works better for me than many of the scores from which it draws -- for instance The Four Feathers never really worked for me, but this one takes that theme and makes it bold and exciting. "Cristeros" is one of my favorite Horner cues of all time.

Yes I agree, the score works much better in this, than in THE FOUR FEATHERS, the film it was originally written for. Amazing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2014 - 6:23 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

I really like this Trailer. The first trailers back in the day, were not well put together. This one, in James Horner's words, nails it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKeOHZ9NWao

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2014 - 7:19 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

I'm not fond of most of Horner's work after 1997, though I made a slight exception in this case when I bought a promo of the score at the San Mateo Library Bookshop for $2.00! I wasn't disappointed, and for once, he manages to avoid the electronics and come up with something distinctive.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2014 - 9:41 PM   
 By:   Mike_H   (Member)

Agreed! This score is pretty fantastic from beginning to end. Some wonderful and gorgeous writing.


Even though Horner recycled pretty much note for note his Main Theme from THE FOUR FEATHERS, his music score works greatly with the picture. I just don't know why he reuses music from picture to picture. It just doesn't make sense.

Horner has talked about how his main focus is much more on the 'color' of the score and not so much melodies. He's more concerned about whether this moment here is an oboe or english horn (etc.) and then the melodies always come second and don't matter as much to him. I've always thought of him as a more impressionistic writer, whereby melodies themselves may be associated with certain emotions instead of characters and thus allowing them to be used, reused, and developed across different scores. The orchestration (color) is more of the focus for him.

This is a good look into his process-

http://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/hollywood-vienna-2013-international-film-music-symposium/

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2014 - 11:31 PM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

Brilliant score! Love this style of Horner's writing which he also did with Black Gold. Both excellent scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2014 - 11:49 PM   
 By:   Mike_H   (Member)

One of the things I love most about Horner's orchestrations is that the lines and colors are so clean and stratified-- it's not just an aural mush of sound. Here's a quote from one of his orchestrators, Jon Kull:

With Horner there's usually a fair amount of separation of colors, and less layering. He has definite ideas about what he wants to hear, coupled with an impressive command of the orchestra, so I stick to what he's given me, keeping things pure and not too embellished. Newton Howard is rather heavily influenced by the audio image of his orchestra, not to mention the layering of percussive and electronic elements that are more of a feature in his music. So with him it's important for the orchestra to have some body and presence in all the families – strings, winds, and brass. More often than not I try to make each instrumental group complete in itself. They're both pretty specific about primary colors, Horner in particular. I do think the makeup of his orchestral palette is settled for him the moment he first sees a film. And since he sketches directly to orchestral score paper there's little doubt about which voice goes where.


Also this is a pretty interesting interview with the vocalist from the score-

http://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/clara-sanabras-for-greater-clara-2/

 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2014 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

Just now I have found the time to listen to this for the first time. What an amazing album! It's vibrant, colorful and very melodic. Yes, we've heard some of those themes or bits of motives before, but that doesn't make it less rousing.

It's what Mike_H said earlier in this thread:

Horner has talked about how his main focus is much more on the 'color' of the score and not so much melodies. He's more concerned about whether this moment here is an oboe or english horn (etc.) and then the melodies always come second and don't matter as much to him.

Blaming Horner for using the danger motive is like blaming Van Gogh using oker again. wink

This album defines what attracts me to film music. It's adventures, vivacious and it puts me in a hell of mood! Will play this again. A lot. A damn lot.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 20, 2014 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Unoriginal or not, I also think this is a great score - Teeming with passion, grandiose drama, exhilarating action, heartfelt lament. No interest in seeing the film personally, I'd rather set the orchestral and vocal tone poem Horner has created here to a more interesting (e.g. non-religious propaganda) story in my head. Very good stuff and along with BLACK GOLD, a sure testament to that fact that Horner is still a magnificent composer when he chooses to be!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 9, 2015 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

The recent bump of this thread kicked me in gear to finally pick this score up and WOW, what a fabulous score this is, everything that Horner does right ( and yeah, wrong ) add up here to a top notch, highly entertaining listen.

Heaven help me, I do love his danger motif, and it gets a huge workout here. Plus, a lovely theme, one of his best, long cues that never get dull...plus, the wife loves the pictures of Andy Garcia, so, win-win at home razz

How did I miss out on getting this for so long? Hmmm now Black Gold is on my radar.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 12:06 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

The recent bump of this thread kicked me in gear to finally pick this score up and WOW, what a fabulous score this is, everything that Horner does right ( and yeah, wrong ) add up here to a top notch, highly entertaining listen.

Heaven help me, I do love his danger motif, and it gets a huge workout here. Plus, a lovely theme, one of his best, long cues that never get dull...plus, the wife loves the pictures of Andy Garcia, so, win-win at home razz

How did I miss out on getting this for so long? Hmmm now Black Gold is on my radar.



Mike, BLACK GOLD is on my next order list having watched it recently. It appears to be hidden gem that didnt appear on my radar. As for GREATER GLORY, I sampled it but found it too similar to FOUR FEATHERS. May still get it though!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2015 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Here's what I said on it's other thread...

It is a 'textbook' Horner score which will fuel the haters and inspire the 'lovers' of his music and trademarks.
The first listen had me tutting quite a few times and thinking 'c'mon Jim, couldn't you just TRY to build something a bit new?'.
By the second play, I was too busy being swept up in the beauty, drama and tragedy to notice or care.
The truth is, there aren't that many composers writing scores this symphonic any more these days. John Williams...yes. Elfman and Newton Howard...on occasion. While Horner is a clever adapter of today's sound like those latter two, he also seems to bag certain films that will allow him to write in his big, beautiful style.

 
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