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tobias, the next time you are with those friends, half way through the evening meal, casually take out a gun and lay it on the table next to you.
Then say Did you hear about (insert your pals names here)??? yeah they were dead for a month before anyone knew!!!!
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I try mightily to keep up with all of the sadly departed craftspeople who have contributed to films or film appreciation and it's very hard. I visit countless sites almost daily to get information for my own site on the subject and hey, it's not as if family and agents call me when they pass on. Come to think of it that's what I'd say if it happens again...maybe something like: "what?...and their family didn't call me?"
The fastest way to hear about a celebrity's death use to be by listening to the news radio and it would come over the wire services if it was someone famous. Even a well developed site devoted to famous people living and departed like deadoralive.com has many errors on it.
If you'd like to have another source about those in the entertainment industry who have passed on in the last few years you might want to check out a couple of places at my site:
http://thecinemacafe.com/the-cinema-treasure-hunter?category=End%20Credits
and for this year:
http://www.pinterest.com/arthurgrant9883/in-memoriam-2014/
Both of these might help you stay in the loop, plus this site of course.
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Simple advice: don't sweat the small stuff.
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good point thomas. And now our expertise and memory means next to nothing!!
everybody has access to what we know and a whole lot more!
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Dear Tobias,
I can only speak for myself, but I don't know how to suggest how you might "handle" a repeat of this silly situation, because you haven't made it clear what you want to accomplish. If all you wanted to do was get to the truth of the actor's life or death, why did you let them call somebody's father, as if he'd be an authority on anything, which obviously he was not? His saying his daughter was correct means nothing, and proves nothing. Similarly, why did you let them put the burden of proof on you, when it was clearly on them? If they were right that somebody famous was dead, then they needed to go on-line and find some news story to back up their claim. Failing that, they should just shut up.
And you should just treat yourself with more respect. And, oh yes, you should also get some new friends.
PNJ
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Jul 30, 2014 - 10:30 PM
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Tobias......I think the reality of life is that everyone wants to be "right" in any argument or discussion. We see it in politics every day. We see it on gameshows and the losers are always downcast when they weren't right and didn't win the $1,000,000.
As an informed person you are likely right much of the time, but you can also be wrong or uninformed at other times. There is nothing wrong with that unless being wrong or uninformed causes some untoward event which affects everyone.
If not, shrug it off, inform yourself for the next time, and don't destroy your own self-esteem or let others do it to you. You may be wrong this time, but they'll likely be wrong the next, just as you'll be right on many occasions, and they'll be right on others.
You seem to be agonizing over this. I'd just say relax and laugh it off.
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Naturally, I applaud Manderley's sentiments, which largely agree with my own, but with one reservation. He tells our worried friend Tobias that, in this instance, he may be wrong. But until Tobias sees an obituary, on-line or on TV or in a newspaper, about this famous actor's passing, there's no reason to think he's wrong. I repeat: the burden of proof is on these "friends." If they want to prove this famous actor is deceased, the hell with phoning somebody's father, or cousin, or maiden aunt -- all they friggin' have to do is friggin' go to friggin' Google and friggin' look up the poor friggin' S.O.B. If he's dead, they'll all know within a few seconds, and there won't be any point arguing about it, it'll be down there in black and white.
Or not.
And then everybody can go have a beer, and chill, for Pete's sake.
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Jul 31, 2014 - 10:29 AM
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manderley
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Naturally, I applaud Manderley's sentiments, which largely agree with my own, but with one reservation. He tells our worried friend Tobias that, in this instance, he may be wrong. But until Tobias sees an obituary, on-line or on TV or in a newspaper, about this famous actor's passing, there's no reason to think he's wrong. I repeat: the burden of proof is on these "friends." If they want to prove this famous actor is deceased, the hell with phoning somebody's father, or cousin, or maiden aunt -- all they friggin' have to do is friggin' go to friggin' Google and friggin' look up the poor friggin' S.O.B. If he's dead, they'll all know within a few seconds, and there won't be any point arguing about it, it'll be down there in black and white.
Or not.
And then everybody can go have a beer, and chill, for Pete's sake.
It's now morning, and I see that I didn't quite fully understand Tobias' post of yesterday, and Preston has properly noted that I may have been hasty in my answer.
What I was going to post last night, and didn't, is that one of the best ways to check on these things is with Wikipedia or IMDB, who often have the correct information within hours. Perhaps family members or their close associates or intimate friends post this information to these sites to tamp down endless personal calls to them at the outset of the incident.
However, be cautious of the internet. There seems to be a game of posting the occasional false death notice, then everyone picks it up without fact checking, and the false information is disseminated very quickly over the internet. Usually these things are corrected within a day or two, but even large news entities have been deceived temporarily.
It's a strange game on the internet, and you have to take most death notices of famous and important people with a grain of salt, at least until it becomes quite clear that it is true (or false). I was quite stunned by James Garner's recent death and was very wary of the announcement until I had checked around and found the accompanying background details.
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Ladies and gentlemen: Manderley -- as always, one of nature's noblemen.
And I thank him for a very true and appropriate word of net-surfing caution.
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However, be cautious of the internet. There seems to be a game of posting the occasional false death notice, then everyone picks it up without fact checking, and the false information is disseminated very quickly over the internet. Usually these things are corrected within a day or two, but even large news entities have been deceived temporarily.
It's a strange game on the internet, and you have to take most death notices of famous and important people with a grain of salt, at least until it becomes quite clear that it is true (or false).
Oh, I see what you're trying to do here, Manderley. Very disingenuous. It's clear you're referring to the recent claims about Alan Fivehouse's passing, which were of course bogus. But how were we to know? It was a reasonable mistake. Had his press-secretary in Monaco not broken his strict confidence re his secluded retreat to Bhutan, the story might have seemed probable. We all make mistakes.
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