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 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 5:59 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I really love this album and I have a couple of questions:

Why doesn't it include a version of "Red Red Robin?" I realize of course that Shire didn't write it, and that it appears as source music, but considering the integral role the tune plays in the film, you would think that at least one version of it could have been included.

Why didn't a version of the actual conversation in the park appear on the CD? The garbled versions that occur along the way function as musique concrete pieces.

Were either of these ever considered? Was it a rights issue? As great as it is, the album would have been improved and would represent something much closer to the film experience with their inclusion. I am sure that had a soundtrack LP been released concurrently with the film, both would have been included.

Thoughts?

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 8:38 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)



Why didn't a version of the actual conversation in the park appear on the CD? The garbled versions that occur along the way function as musique concrete pieces.



What?????????

Why not include pieces of Hackman's mustache in the package, too?

Sorry, this is bizarre, even for us.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 9:39 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



What?????????

Why not include pieces of Hackman's mustache in the package, too?

Sorry, this is bizarre, even for us.


No, the concept may be bizarre for listeners with conservative tastes, and/or listeners who do not know or appreciate musique concrete, but for the adventurous listeners among us, those of us who uncork a few bottles of good wine and alternate between jazz, 20th century "classical," and electronic, it is completely natural.

In fact, these kinds of edgy juxtapositions are what got me into film music to begin with, not the neo-romantic claptrap written by guys you would expect to see on a golf course.

And that is just generally speaking. The fact that "The Conversation" in particular is about an audio surveillance expert, and that the audio that he records is integral to the film AND the fact that it is in essence a musique concrete piece collectively make its inclusion on the album very worthwhile, and its omission worth questioning.

So I stand by my original question, along with my assertion that such a piece would have been included on a concurrent LP.

And if that is "bizarre" for you, so be it. I suspect that I would be bored out of my mind by your record collection.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)



What?????????

Why not include pieces of Hackman's mustache in the package, too?

Sorry, this is bizarre, even for us.


No, the concept may be bizarre for listeners with conservative tastes, and/or listeners who do not know or appreciate musique concrete, but for the adventurous listeners among us, those of us who uncork a few bottles of good wine and alternate between jazz, 20th century "classical," and electronic, it is completely natural.

In fact, these kinds of edgy juxtapositions are what got me into film music to begin with, not the neo-romantic claptrap written by guys you would expect to see on a golf course.

And that is just generally speaking. The fact that "The Conversation" in particular is about an audio surveillance expert, and that the audio that he records is integral to the film AND the fact that it is in essence a musique concrete piece collectively make its inclusion on the album very worthwhile, and its omission worth questioning.

So I stand by my original question, along with my assertion that such a piece would have been included on a concurrent LP.

And if that is "bizarre" for you, so be it. I suspect that I would be bored out of my mind by your record collection.



I stand by my belief that your question is mostly strange and out there. And, judging from the list of music on your profile, you'd probably love my record collection. It is on this issue that we differ!

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)



Why didn't a version of the actual conversation in the park appear on the CD? The garbled versions that occur along the way function as musique concrete pieces.



What?????????

Why not include pieces of Hackman's mustache in the package, too?

Sorry, this is bizarre, even for us.


Sorry, Shaun, but I'm with Onya on this. I'm a fan that prefers his musical presentations on soundtracks pretty straightforward, but indeed interstitial dialogue would be interesting in this case, and is certainly ubiquitous enough on '70s and even '80s soundtracks (heck, on Quentin Tarantino's soundtracks as well as Hannibal, too, if I'm not mistaken), as to be far from a bizarre concept.

I counter that your belief that Onya's posit is bizarre, is bizarre. smile

Your turn! razz

P.S. Perhaps it would help if Onya's term "musique concrete" were to include an accent in its appropriate spot?: musique concréte. Or be given an exact french translation?: musique béton. wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

And if that is "bizarre" for you, so be it. I suspect that I would be bored out of my mind by your record collection.

Now, now, Onya. I know Shaun got your ire up, but must we? wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

I have just one more thing to say on this topic:

PREDATOR 2!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



Sorry, Shaun, but I'm with Onya on this. I'm a fan that prefers his musical presentations on soundtracks pretty straightforward, but indeed interstitial dialogue would be interesting in this case, and is certainly ubiquitous enough on '70s and even '80s soundtracks (heck, on Quentin Tarantino's soundtracks as well as Hannibal, too, if I'm not mistaken), as to be far from a bizarre concept.

I counter that your belief that Onya's posit is bizarre, is bizarre. smile

Your turn! razz

P.S. Perhaps it would help if Onya's term "musique concrete" were to include an accent in its appropriate spot?: musique concréte. Or be given an exact french translation?: musique béton. wink


And I am not even advocating for the straight dialog, although that would be fine too. I am talking about the garbled versions that function almost as part of the score. As for my spelling, blame my genius mobile device that I am still learning.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

And if that is "bizarre" for you, so be it. I suspect that I would be bored out of my mind by your record collection.

Now, now, Onya. I know Shaun got your ire up, but must we? wink


Ok, so I overreacted. Sorry Shaun, but your response to what I thought was an interesting question came off as dismissive.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

While I appreciate Intrada's release of The Conversation as is, I completely get what Onya is saying. Those effects are just as much a part of the film's very sound as David Shire's brilliant score. Onya's passion for '60s-to-mid-'70s music, film, and pop culture is to be saluted.

That claptrap/golf course line ranks up there with your "Neo-conservative kitsch" remark of some years ago.

It blows my mind that "The Conversation" CD has not yet sold out after all these years.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

It blows my mind that "The Conversation" CD has not yet sold out after all these years.

I was browsing the Intrada site looking for good sale titles and was stunned to see this was still available. It's one of the very best releases they've ever done.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 4:21 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I have just one more thing to say on this topic:

PREDATOR 2!!!



Complete!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 4:24 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Those effects are just as much a part of the film's very sound as David Shire's brilliant score. Onya's passion for '60s-to-mid-'70s music, film, and pop culture is to be saluted.


The effects would have no doubt been included on an LP if there had been one.

That claptrap/golf course line ranks up there with your "Neo-conservative kitsch" remark of some years ago.


I got a million of 'em, kid! wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   Smitty   (Member)


I was browsing the Intrada site looking for good sale titles and was stunned to see this was still available. It's one of the very best releases they've ever done.


Was there ever a set number for this one? I am under the impression that this is one of the few albums of which Intrada has perpetual rights. They even have it up on Amazon MP3 and iTunes, which adds validity to that thought.

Anyway, it is easily one of my most valued score albums.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 2:32 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

So little conversation about The Conversation? Here's another thread about The Conversation for those who enjoy a bit of conversation. ('70s fans unite):

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=61471&forumID=7&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 3:07 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

i HAVE A COPY FS/FT!
lmk
bruce
combrm@yahoo.com

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

i HAVE A COPY FS/FT!
lmk
bruce
combrm@yahoo.com


STILL?!?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   zippy   (Member)

i HAVE A COPY FS/FT!
lmk
bruce
combrm@yahoo.com


This post needs a picture of Mr. Haney next to his truck in front of the Douglas house.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Anyone else love the ensemble version of "Theme from The Conversation"?

It's swell, paranoic stuff.



With The Conversation, David Shire composed one of the great masterworks of cinema music.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2016 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

It's swell, paranoic stuff.

With The Conversation, David Shire composed one of the great masterworks of cinema music.


I emailed him couple months ago to inquire if he had a certain 1970s soundtrack. I think he'd prefer to be recognized for his more recent scores, but maybe he wouldnt mind the retroactive compliment.

 
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