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 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Two Underwater Monster films scored by Jerry Goldsmith, separated by about 10 years, I think.
Both films generally considered rubbish or below-par, but not without some entertainment value or merits to be had by some/many.
Both had quite short(ish) original CD releases at the time of the films' release (= not complete), but now Intrada have fixed half of the problem.
Both scores are largely orchestral with Goldsmith's customary synth bubbles and farts added to the mix, although the latter, as befitted the era, is more computer programmed-sounding.
Anyway, in a one-on-one contest, which score is your favourite (or the best...or both)?
Let the Plunder Games begin! smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

DEEP RISING, by a fathom.

But I didn't know it was considered rubbish on par with LEVIATHAN. It's a much better movie. I didn't realize so many people disagreed with me.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

Leviathan has one of Goldsmith's great end titles.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Leviathan has one of Goldsmith's great end titles.

This is very true. That cue is a favorite for sure, with its dynamic fanfare bookending a rich extrapolation of his classically-rich love theme in the middle portion. Love it!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   samlowry   (Member)

The main title to Leviathan (Underwater Camp) with its slow crescendo building up is also excellent in my opinion.

Deep Rising has a great theme, it's up-beat and more adventurous.

But in the middle both scores are about equal in terms of being adequate monster music.

So in the end, I would rate both scores about the same, with a notch more for Deep Rising.

Leviathan 6 out of 10 and Deep Rising 7 out of 10

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Best Goldsmith underwater monster score - Jonah And the Whale.

The real question is why Goldsmith said yes to Leviathan and Deep Rising. Well, at least Deep Rising is fun pulp as a movie. I think that's reflected in the score.

Maybe Jerry just got a kick out of underwater monster movies!

"Hi Jerry. I've got a script here. Uhhh... I'm not too sure about it."

"Oh Jesus. What the hell's it about?"

"It's about this uhhh... underwater mon...."

"I'll do it."

"Let me send you the script first, Jerry."

"Nope. Just send the contract. I love monsters."

"I know you do, Jerry".

"I love underwater."

"I know you do, Jerry."

"And you know what?"

"What Jerry?"

"I love underwater monsters."

"I know you do, Jerry."

"They shoulda set Chinatown underwater!"

"I'm going to send you the script anyway, Jerry."

"Ok. I'll read it in the pool."

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

For me Leviathan, better score though definitely not better movie. The gorgeous trumpet theme is more majestic and the wale sounds as well as the moments of awe make it stand out more for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 4:53 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)



"Hi Jerry. I've got a script here. Uhhh... I'm not too sure about it."

"Oh Jesus. What the hell's it about?"

"It's about this uhhh... underwater mon...."

"I'll do it."

"Let me send you the script first, Jerry."

"Nope. Just send the contract. I love monsters."

"I know you do, Jerry".

"I love underwater."

"I know you do, Jerry."

"And you know what?"

"What Jerry?"

"I love underwater monsters."

"I know you do, Jerry."

"They shoulda set Chinatown underwater!"

"I'm going to send you the script anyway, Jerry."

"Ok. I'll read it in the pool."



Ha! This gave me a great laugh. Thanks.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   Niall from Ireland   (Member)

Leviathan has one of Goldsmith's great end titles.

Yep, I definitely agree with that. I always really liked this great Goldsmith score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

The real question is why Goldsmith said yes to Leviathan and Deep Rising.

LEVIATHAN - He had a well established relationship with George Pan Cosmatos, having scored Cassandra Crossing and Rambo: First Blood Part II. I seem to remember that Cosmatos was actually god-father to one of his kids.

DEEP RISING - He's signed up to do Stephen Sommers' previous movie, The Jungle Book, but had to pull out because he felt he couldn't give it his full energy. I guess he snapped up Deep Rising to make amends and then, obviously, went on to do The Mummy.

Deep Rising is actually a very good film - it does exactly what it sets out to do: action/adventure/comedy rollercoaster.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Wasn't Christopher Young slated to do DEEP RISING? Does anyone know anything about this?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 7:17 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Wasn't Christopher Young slated to do DEEP RISING? Does anyone know anything about this?

I can imagine a cross between HARD RAIN and a bit of HELL RAISER 2's monstrous choir upon the reveal of the beastie at the end!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 11:07 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

DEEP RISING, by a fathom.

But I didn't know it was considered rubbish on par with LEVIATHAN. It's a much better movie. I didn't realize so many people disagreed with me.


Deep Rising is unpretentious fun, with a game, knowing cast. And yes, fathoms better than Leviathan.

However, I do love Jerry's Leviathan score more.

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 11:32 PM   
 By:   DarthBrett   (Member)

Leviathan. The Main Title cue is one of my favorite Goldsmith cues of all-time. And the End Credits suite is also pure Goldsmith gold.

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2014 - 11:59 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Both "LEVIATHAN" and "DEEP RISING" represent lesser works by JG.

I'm not saying they're bad by any means, but they're lesser works: less creative, less refined, less interesting, less important than so many others.

Now, before the devoted disciples close in to flame me, I'm not dissing ANYONE's enjoyment and if you're as prolific as Jerry Goldsmith was, it's a cinch that not everything will be "PATTON", which I personally think is his most perfect creation.

In other words: it's not a hate comment to say, "Not everything is a classic." So don't stone me.

Since I own "LEVIATHAN" and would probably purchase an Intrada expansion of it, but I chose to pass on "DEEP RISING" both times it's been out, I guess I've made my choice as "LEVIATHAN".

I do have some time for "LEVIATHAN". I haven't been moved to purchase "DEEP RISING". I think the latter is fine for Jerry's most devoted, but right now I think superior scores like "ALTERED STATES" and the upcoming "EMPIRE OF THE SUN" are more important for me. I might come back to "DEEP RISING" if there's a lull in the release schedules.

But, like I said above, don't hate me. There's plenty of people to support "DEEP RISING".

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 3:35 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I do have some time for "LEVIATHAN". I haven't been moved to purchase "DEEP RISING". I think the latter is fine for Jerry's most devoted, but right now I think superior scores like "ALTERED STATES" and the upcoming "EMPIRE OF THE SUN" are more important for me. I might come back to "DEEP RISING" if there's a lull in the release schedules.

But, like I said above, don't hate me. There's plenty of people to support "DEEP RISING".

Cheers


These are priorities and sentiments I completely understand. I myself am more inclined to make a grab for Psycho II than any other of JG's currently arrayed works (I did get LLL's Blue Max.) It's now a question more about pennies than anything else.

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 5:00 AM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

Deep Rising - better film

Leviathan - better score

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   LMR   (Member)

Leviathan has one of the best action/tension cues by JG: Decompression big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)

It must be a curse to be a genius as Goldsmith was because everyone seems to expect a new monument from you every time you pick up the paintbrush. So what if some of these scores don't share the stratosphere with so many of his other masterworks? Sometimes the objective is just to do what the material deserves or requires and that's all.

In the case of both of these monster pics Goldsmith's scores are at least 50% of a reason for me to sit through them. But I go with Deep Rising as the more satisfying piece based on what they are meant to be. Leviathan obviously wanted to be a scary, "trapped in here with a grotesque monster" picture, ala Alien. Deep Rising set out to be a B-movie level actioneer; think The Deadly Mantis.

If Goldsmith set out to frighten with his score for Leviathan then he fell quite short. None of it is scary or disturbing (his scores for Poltergeist, The Mephisto Waltz, and Alien are). If he set out to entertain and exhilarate with Deep Rising he was far more successful. Deep Rising is a hoot in the same way as those Paul Sawtell and Irving Gertz scores for Universal are.

 
 Posted:   Jun 12, 2014 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

It must be a curse to be a genius as Goldsmith was because everyone seems to expect a new monument from you every time you pick up the paintbrush. So what if some of these scores don't share the stratosphere with so many of his other masterworks? Sometimes the objective is just to do what the material deserves or requires and that's all.

I suspect this is a reaction to my post, so let me comment:

I totally agree!!!

And that's why I don't feel the need to purchase everything that comes out. The good ones will suffice.

Please don't think I was "complaining" that "DEEP RISING" isn't a masterpiece. If you are indeed reacting to my post, if you read again I hope you'll see I wasn't.

Cheers

 
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