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 Posted:   May 7, 2014 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

I'm a bit confused with this cue, especially on the expanded edition. The cue plays as it does in the film for the first 2 minutes, 45 seconds, but in the film itself the music changes to what is "Follow that Shadow" on the release, which plays before "Remembering Childhood" in the program.

I just wonder why they would do this. It's odd enough they would take the almost 18 minute "The Ultimate War" and break it into 3 parts, but to completely edit out a portion of music and make it its own cue is just odd to me.

Does anyone have any info? Was the "Remembering childhood" cue just made up of a few separately written pieces? Or is it just up to editors and whatnot?

Sorry if this is confusing, I'm pretty new.

 
 
 Posted:   May 7, 2014 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   Reeve   (Member)

John Williams was part of this “production” on releasing the “expanded” edition of Hook.
The album arrangements were his idea.
I don’t really mind it – I am disappointed however that “The Never Feast” was not included as a whole.
Other than that – I am quite use to making up my own playlists – no big deal, really.
What matters to me is the quality of the remastering, how it sounds – and how many “goodies” are available for me i.e. (bonus tracks).
Remembering Childhood is definitely part of my top ten tracks of all time – whether it’s the complete edition – or the album track.
Farewell Neverland is almost in that league – it is just as magical – if not more so!

(Just in case you’re wondering – The Fortress Of Solitude and The Flying Sequence from Superman are my top two – then you have “Escape/Chase/Saying Goodbye” from E.T. and “The Visitors/Bye/End Title: The Special Edition” from Close Encounters Of The Third Kind. ) The two latter scores I mentioned are yet to be released “properly”.

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2014 - 7:17 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Think of the whole sequence as consisting of 4 cues. For the original album track in 1991, Williams combined the 1st, 3rd, and 4th cues together and named it "Remembering Childhood."

I don't know if it was the album producer's idea or Mr. Williams' request, but for the new set the missing 2nd cue was not re-inserted into the track, and instead the original album track is retained, with the missing 2nd cue appearing in it's own track on the second disc as "Follow That Shadow".

If you'd like to know more, check this out:

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21590

 
 Posted:   May 7, 2014 - 8:17 PM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

Beautiful material and now we have the La-La Land two disc version.

"Hook" sounds better with every passing year?

 
 
 Posted:   May 7, 2014 - 10:49 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)



I just wonder why they would do this. It's odd enough they would take the almost 18 minute "The Ultimate War" and break it into 3 parts,


Except that they didn't. They made three tracks out of it but it's a seamless listen. It's no different from the thousands of classical CDs with music that tracked yet plays without pause. Almost every single recording of Beethoven's 6th or Pictures at an Exhibition (though, granted, not every single) has multiple tracks where the music doesn't stop.

 
 
 Posted:   May 8, 2014 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

I know it's a pretty seamless listen but I just don't see the need to do it, same for combining separate cues, but that's for another thread. I have the score on my ipod so if I'm enjoying music on shuffle, the cutoffs can be disappointing.

 
 Posted:   May 8, 2014 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I know it's a pretty seamless listen but I just don't see the need to do it, same for combining separate cues, but that's for another thread. I have the score on my ipod so if I'm enjoying music on shuffle, the cutoffs can be disappointing.

You can combine/join those cues yourself with iTunes as you're ripping the CD. Lickety-split, problem solved!

 
 Posted:   May 8, 2014 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

I know it's a pretty seamless listen but I just don't see the need to do it, same for combining separate cues, but that's for another thread. I have the score on my ipod so if I'm enjoying music on shuffle, the cutoffs can be disappointing.

You can combine/join those cues yourself with iTunes as you're ripping the CD. Lickety-split, problem solved!


Indeed! It's much easier to do that than break apart an 18-minute track and I for one am damn glad it's presented as three different tracks, I don't want one track that's 18 minutes long.

 
 
 Posted:   May 8, 2014 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

. I have the score on my ipod so if I'm enjoying music on shuffle, the cutoffs can be disappointing.

Again, this would be a 'problem' with thousands of classical discs too. Or to consider scores, a lot of Zimmer (and friends) scores tend to be slightly rearranged with no breaks in the music (look at Gladiator for instance). Or how about Yo-Yo Ma plays Morricone? Large suites of music with many tracks and no breaks. Yes it can be jarring to have a sudden no-end to the music when listening on shuffle, but I for one MUCH prefer an 6 minute track than an 18 minute one when listening randomly. In fact until very recently I used 15 minutes as my cut off point (and now use 20 with only a select few pieces being good enough to qualify as worthy of the 15+ length).

 
 
 Posted:   May 8, 2014 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

I took a little time and made a "film edit" in iTunes, just by fading tracks in and out from the La-La Land release. I tend to listen to that sequence most often, but the original "Remembering Childhood" is an undeniably powerful statement without the side trip into more scherzo material that the shadow cue represents.

Both ways of listening are amazing to behold, and both are very easily accomplished by even an audio editing caveman such as myself.

 
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