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May 10, 2014 - 10:13 PM
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Joe E.
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Yeah, but is there a reason they shouldn't count the overseas totals? It's still money, after all. Is other countries' money somehow less desirable to you?
Point being if they had to rely just on domestic box office results these films would be colossal failures. So they are making movies for the world market. Good for them. I think the films are extremely dumb down because of it. Do french directors make films for the French market or for the American market? How about the Japanese? Russia? German? Nothing wrong with creating a universally assessable story of course. But American films lack any creative individuality nowadays because of it. The poor domestic box office also shows the American public are tiring of all these generic remakes, sequels, and reboots.
I don't think the MCU movies are any dumber than other typical superhero (or other comics) adaptations of previous decades - there's a great deal of wit and charm in them, and certainly it's hard to argue that they're fundamentally any dumber than, well... Just what previous movies in the genre do you think are so much better (and / or less dumbed-down)?
And whatever else it might be, Guardians of the Galaxy is hardly a generic remake, sequel or reboot. It can be argued to be a sequel to the other MCU movies generally, but it's not really a direct sequel to any of them so much as a brand-new story in that universe.
Ummm...most of the films you refer to have a universal appeal.
People all over the world read Spiderman comics.
People all over the world read Avengers comics
People all over the world read X-Men comics
People all over the world know who the Lone Ranger is.
So I guess that, yeah, these movies are being made for the world market because the target audience is scattered around the world.
Interesting you left out Captain America! Don't they have to change his name around the World? Seriously the average Russian or Chinese don't read Marvel comics. Look what they did to Superman, totally nurtured him of any patriotism. Their huge hits because of one common denominator- endless CGI action/violence. Which is universally loved. Characters and stories are flimsy at best.
Except that Marvel has diddly-squat to do with what "they" did to Superman. If you're going to argue against these movies, you might at least bother to know exactly what you're arguing for and against. Superman is put out by DC / Warner, Marvel's major competitor in this game, and there's a world of difference in the approaches and styles the two studios are taking with their respective comics movie projects. You might as well commingle the filmmaking outputs of David Lean and Ed Wood as basically the same if you're going to make boners like that.
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May 11, 2014 - 3:34 PM
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Khan
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Khan
Almost all of these movies make more overseas than here in the US.
If they get to profit (IF) it is on the money from overseas auds.
Lone Ranger made $290 global, it had a budget around $200 million similar to GOTG.
So the break even on both of these pictures is about the same.
The forecast above did not specify $200 million US or overseas, but the point is that it has to make about $550 million to breakeven, that is pretty unlikely for this movie, since it looks pretty hard for even Amazing Spiderman 2 to reach that.
No, your point was that Guardians is going to bomb on a Lone Ranger level based off of a $200 million domestic take (some quick internet sleuthing shows that Hitflix is making domestic projections). You're moving the goalposts.
Furthermore, Amazing Spider-Man 2 is already at $450 million worldwide, so your doom and gloom comment about that movie will quickly be proven wrong.
Khan, as you often do you are making this way more complicated than it needs to be.
Lone Ranger was a bomb that cost about $200 million to make, the comparison was Guardians of the Galaxy with a similar budget, even we assume the high end of the entire world like
Boxoffice Mojo it still only $430 and it still in the red. Spiderman might might a profit, still a really long way from that though, and it is a more marketable product than GOTG.
I don't make things more complicated. I just take your ludicrous claims and blow them up.
Also, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 hit $550 million this weekend. I thought that was pretty unlikely?
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I've always heard that a movie has to make twice its budget at the box-office (because of promotion etc) to break even.
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I've always heard that a movie has to make twice its budget at the box-office (because of promotion etc) to break even.
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STAR WARS---Disney CEO Bob Iger confirmed there will be "at least three" "origin story" movies that will alternate with the three "Saga" movies.
Star Wars Origins: Bib Fortuna
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It's a shame that Universal will not be doing their reboot of THE MUMMY in the fashion of the older films. I feel it betrays the very unique stylish technique those classic films gave us so many years ago. I know they could pull off a moody effective serious remake with the lumbering style of LON CHANEY JR OR CHRISTOPHER LEE but they seem to be going with the common modern day action adventure, It is why I pretty much like the new GODZILLA film, mood over constant action. Years ago I wrote a screenplay of the mummy theme. Updating it into sought of a vigilante story. American criminals steal precious jewelry and ANANKA from the tombs of Egypt, take them back to America . A high priest revives KHARIS and off to AMERICA they go after the criminals. The priest gets ANANKA, revives her, in which the story turns into a part romantic love story[beauty and the beast] and a moody revenge film.Certain people loved the idea but it didn't get off the ground. The great horror classics needs style and substance not just action upon action. oh well.
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Also add on promotional costs on top of production costs. Ten years ago that was another hundred million. Who knows what they spend on promotion/advertising today. That money needs to be recouped as well.
Though I am not sure what we are discussing anymore. The goal posts moved from what constitutes a hit, too the rest of the world apparently loves Marvel comics. 
