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 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

MARGIE
This lovely Technicolor 2Oth Century Fox release - directed by the estimable Henry King - starring the perfect ingenue - gorgeous Jeanne Crain (just 20 yrs old during production) - has always been a a favorite of mine -- it boasts a beautifully nostalgic score by the great Alfred Newman, embellished by many songs from the Roaring Twenties such as "April Showers", "A Cup of Coffee, A Sandwich, & You","Aint She Sweet","My Time Is Your Time","I'll See You in My Dreams","Three O'Clock in the Morning" and the catchy title tune - it is actually a quasi musical. The orchestrations + underscore are wonderfully intergrated into the story of a lovelorn teenager who falls for her HS French teacher. If the elements survive , this would make a terrific soundtrack , especially if complete versions exist of the many songs .

It has so much to recommend it as a film - especially a wonderful cast including Hobart Cavanaugh as Margie's undertaker father, Lynn Bari as the pretty librarian, , Glenn Langan as the handsome Professor Fontaynne, Esther Dale as Margie's irrascible suffragette Grandma, Barbara Lawrence + Conrad Janis as the quintiscential 20s lovebirds Marybelle + Johnnykins, Alan Young (in his film debut) as Roy, Margie's sweetly nebbish HS boyfriend Roy, young Ann Todd, and Oscar winner Hattie MacDaniels in a scene stealing role as their help, Cynthia.

It was lovingly filmed(partly)at the University of Nevada in Reno in a winter setting , giving it a more authentic look than many similar college films( think GOOD NEWS). Henry King excelled at Americana tales and this is one of his best It has shown on TCM + FMC with a great new print ( but it has never been released on dvd or other format ) .

Kritzerland, Intrada, Screen Archives - any chance this has been considered for release?

(btw this inspired a one season tv series in the the early 60s starring Cynthia Pepper & Penny Parker).

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

That Main Title is simply wonderful...orchestrations, performance, pace. Newman was the master.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Brad Wills   (Member)

MARGIE is such a wonderful movie. It's not that well known, but I've shown it to many friends over the years and they were all immediately captivated by its many charms. For my money, this is Jeanne Crain's finest hour as an actress. She's sweet, dreamy, sensitive, heartbreaking and hilariously funny...especially when being mortified by those pesky bloomers!

 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

And then again, there was the 1960s TV series based on the film....starring Cynthia Pepper!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

MARGIE is such a wonderful movie. It's not that well known, but I've shown it to many friends over the years and they were all immediately captivated by its many charms. For my money, this is Jeanne Crain's finest hour as an actress. She's sweet, dreamy, sensitive, heartbreaking and hilariously funny...especially when being mortified by those pesky bloomers!

I agree completely , Brad - my favorite Jeanne Crain performance - her most natural + appealing . I have shared it with friends too. For a while there - 25 yrs or so, it was not even being shown . I know that the appeal may be smaller but certainly Fox Archives could get a copy of the remastered print being shown and release it on dvd(or Twilight time on Blu-ray).(but if Fox Archive is releasing it, it is very much of a gamble considering their recent history...)

I think that it would make a great cd soundtrack perhaps coupled with another Fox Newman/ Friedhofer/Mockridge? score like YOU WERE MEANT FOR ME or HOME IN INDIANA.

(btw What about GIFT OF LOVE + SENTIMENTAL JOURNEY as a double bill cd release?)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 4:51 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I've never even heard of the film, but I want to see it now. The film was based upon three short stories by Ruth McKenney, whose work was also the basis for MY SISTER EILEEN.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 6:37 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

Good movie, good music, my mother looked just like JEANNINE CRAIN.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)


"But when all is said and done,
There is really only one,
Margie, Margie, it's you..."

Although, Ms. Crain in that poster has anything but a 1920's look, what with all that billowing hair...

(Funny enough, one of the recurring gags in the film is how her bloomers simply won't stay up....)

Oh, what they'd do with that nowadays...

The mind reels.

My parents were in college in the 20's, in Boston, and they had plenty of tales to tell me when I was growing up. Consequently, when I was in college in the late 60's, also in Boston, I actually had a similar time.

As for the score, I'll buy anything by Newman.

After all is said and done, I'm a Newmaniac....

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 10:55 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

I've never even heard of the film, but I want to see it now. The film was based upon three short stories by Ruth McKenney, whose work was also the basis for MY SISTER EILEEN.



Thanks for that info - I had no idea - I wonder if it was based on her own life ?

hard to believe such an ardent film buff like you has not seen this -- I promise when you do, you'll like it !

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 17, 2014 - 10:56 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

I've never even heard of the film, but I want to see it now. The film was based upon three short stories by Ruth McKenney, whose work was also the basis for MY SISTER EILEEN.



Thanks for that info - I had no idea - I wonder if it was based on her own life ?

hard to believe such an ardent film buff like you has not seen this -- I promise when you do, you'll like it !

p.s. I dont think that Crain has this hair style in the movie

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 6:29 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Some of the songs and numbers in the film ( all recorded in that multi mike stereo.) were used as temp tracks in The Razors Edge I"ll See You in My Dreams and the Missouri waltz were two of them, later replaced with fresh arrangements by Newman

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   Dylan S   (Member)

I love "Margie," which is second only to "State Fair" as my favorite Jeanne Crain movie ("Apartment for Peggy" and "Take Care of My Little Girl" are also essential), but is there *really* a restored version making the rounds? The version of the film I watched looked like a master created in the '90s for a Fox Movie Channel broadcast (or a laserdisc/VHS that never came to fruition).

Speaking of "Apartment for Peggy," that was a big hit for Fox by one of their esteemed directors and Fox dropped the ball recently releasing an unrestored '90s TV master via "burn on demand" DVD-R. I have to assume that if "Peggy" hasn't been restored then neither will "Margie." These films were Technicolor and ought to look *amazing*, just as good as the DVD of "State Fair," but being largely forgotten today I can't see restorations happening anytime soon. I would LOVE to be proven wrong, though - I adore these Jeanne Crain movies and it would make me very, very happy to see them find a new audience.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Someone should write a book just on the classic films that Jeanne was cast in, and had to back out of because she beame pregnant again.
You name it
All About Eve, The Robe, Three Coins in the Fountain, Man Called Peter, Prince of Players
I'm sure there are more.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Dylan S   (Member)

I am a devoted fan of Jeanne Crain and have seen almost all of her films but I didn't know about these projects she dropped out of. I'm assuming there were more than what you listed, too?

Jeanne Crain in general just needs to be better known - one of the loveliest actresses who ever lived and I believe I read somewhere that in the '40s she received more fan mail than any other star at Fox. "Leave Her to Heaven" (a masterpiece) and "A Letter to Three Wives" (also great) are pretty well known today, but the former isn't really her movie and the latter is an ensemble piece. The big Crain film is "State Fair," but her top billing follow-ups "Margie," "Take Care of My Little Girl" and "Apartment for Peggy" are pretty much forgotten and borderline "lost" save for the TV masters out there.

To circle this back around to Newman's score for "Margie," yes, I too would like to see a release of it. I'm not sure how well these adaptation scores sell, though. A Twilight Time release with an isolated track seems more likely. A lot of the soundtrack is the cast singing along to instrumental source music on the radio and record players so I'm curious if the vocals were part of the tracks of just what was recorded on set.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Dylan, Jeanne was originally cast in the Anne Baxter part in All About Eve, the Jean Simmons role in The Robe ( she only filmed tests, but her face was used in the one sheet paintings and never redone), the MaggieMacnamara part in Three Coins in the Fountain and again Macnamarras role in Prince of Players.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 5:37 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)


“Margie” would be a VERY welcome release, both on DVD and CD.
Here’s hoping !

Recently, i’ve been investing in some of those “missing” Fox titles from Spain. One of these was “Home in Indiana”...Jeanne’s first big movie.

It’s a beautiful, rich print and Jeanne (of course!) looks gorgeous in it.

(I know that this has recently been released in the States too, in the Fox Archive series.)

Here’s hoping that Spain soon comes up with “Margie” too ?






 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2014 - 11:27 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

My new copy of MARGIE was recorded off the Fox Movie Channel here in the US, even though I received from a friend in Australia .

It is definitely a much improved print over the 80s copy I had off Cinemax - the cotton candy colors are eye popping - the best I have seen of it - very sharp picture - it is windowboxed throughout - I think that is correct . The sound is dolby digital + also the best I have heard.

What a shame Jeanne wasnt able to do one of those classics Joe mentioned - although I thought that Joe Mankiewicz decided that Jeanne wasnt right for the role and recast it. Baxter was perfect. Jeanne would have been a good Diana and I think wonderful in those roles Maggie MacNammra won. She missed twice being one of Richard Burton's co-stars - hmmm?

I just started watching the prologue again to MARGIE - Jeanne does such a great job playing the older version of Margie in the wraparound scenes - very impressive for a 20 yr old to play mother to the teenage Ann E. Todd(still living btw) who was only 5 years younger than Crain.

I still think that this is Jeanne Crain's best -a real gem of performance -- and she is central to most every scene unlike STATE FAIR , THREE WIVES, etc. The only comparable role is her Oscar nominated one as PINKY which I should rewatch. I love her too as the perfect foil to the evil Gene Tierney In LEAVE HER TO HEAVEN.

I love Jeanne Crain. Paul Brinkman didnt deserve her.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2014 - 9:41 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

the print of MARGIE I have comes from FMC in the USA not elsewhere - my mistake.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 2:40 AM   
 By:   lionel59   (Member)

I am interested to learn of the parts Miss Crain was offered but was not ultimately cast in. Thanks Joe. I had also always wondered why the face on the poster of THE ROBE looked unlike Jean Simmons. I can see that it looks a little more like Jeanne, but it still doesn't look like a good impression of her to my eyes. It would seem that Maggie McNamara's brief "place in the (Hollywood) sun" owed a good deal to Miss Crain's unavailability.
I have read Joseph Manciewicz's autobiography and despite directing her in two of her finest performances inc a Best Actress Oscar nomination (A LETTER TO THREE WIVES and PINKY), he was not happy about her being cast as Eve Harrington and engineered her replacement by Anne Baxter. I think Crain would have been good, but perhaps not AS good. (As she had never portrayed a "grasping bitch" role on film, it may have been more of a surprise when Eve shows her true colors if Crain had portrayed her.However,Claudette Colbert's back injury from THREE CAME HOME paved the way for indisputably the best possible actress to immortalize Margo Channing)
As a big Alfred Newman fan, I'd welcome a soundtrack CD of MARGIE, period songs included. I would not be surprised of Fox Cinema Archives gets around to releasing it, though for quality control I'd prefer a Twilight Time release. I am wondering if there is a rights complication hindering the release of another Crain classic, CENTENNIAL SUMMER. A big hit in its day showcasing Jerome Kern's final score, this worthy family musical (inspired, no doubt, by the success of MEET ME IN ST LOUIS) in Technicolor should have come out by now in SOME format. If anyone knows of any reason why it hasn't, I'd appreciate your input.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2014 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)



Yes! We need more Alfred Newman CDs! smile

I'm surprised no one has done Nevada Smith yet.

 
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