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Has the first CD been remastered ? I'm curious if Betrayal sounds any better now?
I think this is 2014 live performance not soundtrack.
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The wording in the product description is almost deliberately confusing.
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it actually very simple:
this is a re-recording based on Copenhagen 2014 premiere concert.
disc 1 - newly re-recording of the original soundtrack (it's not the live performance from 2014 concert, but a
same performance/arrangement in a closed venue without crowd)
disc 2 - new re-recording of score outtakes not appeared on original soundtrack (from lost sheets found by edgar from same period)
the "analog" sounds, means that the re-recording using the same analog synths or emulator sounds that created in the original, so the sound will be the same as was their 70's sound.
No, I get it, it's just worded in a goofy way.
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Why did they have to rerecord it? Is this going to happen with all the older electronic scores? I guess I will have to just keep listening to the original release.
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Why did they have to rerecord it? Is this going to happen with all the older electronic scores? I guess I will have to just keep listening to the original release.
Provided all the original releases remain available, of course.
Froese's compulsion to redo and rewrite TD's musical history is long past neurotic and, speaking only for myself, it's seriously turning me off anything that has his name on it.
I will have to agree with you. I have owned a few rerecorded electronic scores and have always favored the originals. The rerecorded just do not have the same feeling as the original. I have liked some of the recent orchestral rerecording, but I always pass on the electronic ones.
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1st 20 minutes sound great! I'm excited now.
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Some comments from TD-nut Andy King:
Tangerine Dream's recent release - SORCERER 2014 seems to have confused fans. So here are some pointers, which hopefully might shine some light on the subject.
Firstly there are two CDs. CD1 contains 10 tracks (two less than the original MCA release) dropping the tracks MAIN TITLE & RAIN FOREST but overall it runs longer at just under 59 mins compared with the original's 45 mins. WHY? well firstly this ISN'T the original recording, the '2014' should be enough of a clue, and secondly this isn't really what some fans have dismissed as TANGENTISATION. So WHAT IS IT? SORCERER 2014 is a completely new recording, performed by Tangerine Dream the band, NOT as WILLIAM FRIEDKIN recently said your 'grandfather's Tangerine Dream'. Why does the sleeve say LIVE? well TD sometimes perform/rehearse their live music in a small cinema near Vienna (see Jacob Pertou's recent excellent interview with Edgar - see link below). The recording comes from one these 'shows'. No sampling of the original music was done, instead the sound was totally re-designed but following- more or less - the same timbres and sequences of the original, a process that took many months. Some tracks are longer than their originals and on them the band take off in a slightly different direction, reinterpreting the music slightly in places.
WHAT ABOUT CD2 IS THIS UNRELEASED stuff? yes - but again things need some clarification. Back in 1976 TD presented William Friedkin with 90 mins of music for SORCERER but unfortunately not all of it was used and eventually it was lost - leaving Edgar with only the notes that he had made at the time - hints at what he could have done if Friedkin had rejected TD's first attempt at scoring a Hollywood movie. It is these notes, or music scores that CD2 is based on, and the results sound to my ears more like modern TD, although a couple of tracks are slightly nearer to the SORCERER 2014 sound palate as played on CD1. My personal view is that the double CD is excellent & therefore comes highly recommended, provided you are not expecting to hear the old score 100% as it was - if you do you could always buy the original MCA release or the more recent ESOTERIC REACTIVE re-issue which uses some of my movie stills in the booklet.c/w with liner notes by Malcolm Dome
SORCERER 2014 Tangerine Dream's Cinematographic Score is available to pre-order from the band's Eastgate store. Shipping starts on APRIL 15: https://www.ssl-id.de/edgarfroese.de/shop/products.php?p=794b8c
ps. CD2 contains 9 tracks and lasts just over an hour.
Jacob Pertou's interview with Edgar and Bianca Froese:
http://tangerinedream.pertou.dk/#post1575
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Apr 8, 2014 - 12:44 PM
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Octoberman
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This is from the interview...
Froese: I'm asked about the term "tangentization", in the fan community-hood. There are some comments: "Why are you re-recording things, which are so much better in its original form?" Yes, it's true. Tangentized is bullshit, re-recording is terrible, and never ever in my life would I touch an original piece of music. Never, ever! But I had to do something, working against Virgin Records, or even Universal. We could spend millions on getting my masters back, or I could do re-recording. Tangentizing means, if you change an original mix a certain degree, by adding or changing effects on the piece, it's not the original master anymore, it's a new master, and you can release it to your own company.
You rarely see a rationalization so well-rehearsed or full of self-contradictions.
Virgin and, to a lesser extent, Universal, have been excellent custodians of TD's catalogue over the years. They, themselves, have never issued re-releases with misrepresentative packaging. They have, in fact, done their best to keep the original recordings in print.
Froese's attitude is completely illogical.
(And I call it "Froeseing". No need to sully the group name [or a derivation of] for something he chooses to do on his own.)
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Apr 19, 2014 - 6:59 AM
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MikeP
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This is from the interview...
Froese: I'm asked about the term "tangentization", in the fan community-hood. There are some comments: "Why are you re-recording things, which are so much better in its original form?" Yes, it's true. Tangentized is bullshit, re-recording is terrible, and never ever in my life would I touch an original piece of music. Never, ever! But I had to do something, working against Virgin Records, or even Universal. We could spend millions on getting my masters back, or I could do re-recording. Tangentizing means, if you change an original mix a certain degree, by adding or changing effects on the piece, it's not the original master anymore, it's a new master, and you can release it to your own company.
You rarely see a rationalization so well-rehearsed or full of self-contradictions.
Virgin and, to a lesser extent, Universal, have been excellent custodians of TD's catalogue over the years. They, themselves, have never issued re-releases with misrepresentative packaging. They have, in fact, done their best to keep the original recordings in print.
Froese's attitude is completely illogical.
(And I call it "Froeseing". No need to sully the group name [or a derivation of] for something he chooses to do on his own.)
I don't see anything wrong with Froese's viewpoint. He isn't saying Virgin or Universal have mistreated the old albums. Like I'd said before, it comes down to wanting to get some of his own music back under his own catalog to release. Virgin has kept the originals in print and no doubt Froese continues to reap the rewards of sales, but seeing as he does seem to be a bit of a control freak  he wants a bigger slice of that pie by having the music under his own label. Makes sense to me.
The original music has never NOT been available. If you don't like Hyperborea 2008 ( although for me that's an excellent album ), buy the original. The Phaedra rerecording wasn't as successful, but for the most part the "tangentized" versions have been pretty good. He only recreated 3 TD albums right? Tangram ( not bad ), Hyperborea ( very good ) and Phaedra ( meh ). There's been a lot of individual tracks rerecorded, and most have been very good, in my opinion.
As for the new Sorcerer, I'm not too keen on the new recording of the actual score. It isn't bad but it doesn't really bring anything new to the table ( just based on the samples from TD's site ). HOWEVER, after buying the second disc download, I will say it is excellent. It does sound like new digital TD and not the old analog, but also ties in very very well with the original score, fits right in there. Even with the advances in the technology, the sound may be different but he gets the vibe of the original score down pat. Am really enjoying the second album in the set.
For anyone wondering, do what I did, get the download version of CD 2 from TD's site for around $13.00.
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