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Looks like this new Tinkerbell movie will have a release (digitally...) from Walt Disney Records on april 1st (see Film Music reporter). It has McNeeley's score and one song. Here's hoping Intrada will come tot the rescue.
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Mar 22, 2014 - 5:42 PM
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SchiffyM
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Paraphrasing, Intrada said the first Tinker Bell score would need to sell a lot better than it did before they would ever release another one. 
And this is why I choose not to associate with the majority of score fandom. The situation as it's always been with closed-minded "fans" is disgusting to say the least.
Oh Senn, that chip on your shoulder is unattractive. Disgusting? Really? There are on average about fifteen archival score releases every month, sometimes more. That's at least $300, before tax and shipping, each month. Is it disgusting that we pick and choose? That some will necessarily sell more than others?
Is it disgusting closed-mindedness when a Kritzerland release like "Visit to a Small Planet" sells poorly? Or only when it's something you personally crave?
I haven't bought "Tinkerbell" from Intrada, despite some raves here. Why not? Honestly, I've never been much of a fan of McNeely's work, and I listened to the samples and they haven't been what I'm in the mood to listen to right now. Are you saying it's disgusting that I haven't spent $25 of my money on this anyway? That I'm closed-minded?
Your enthusiasm for animation scores for shows and movies aimed at kids is noted, and by all means, enjoy them. But it is unfair and frankly juvenile to lash out at those who don't share your enthusiasm. No, sorry, I don't care personally about "Pound Puppies." Just as I'm sure there are many things I care about that you don't. I'm just fine with that. You should be, too. And I'd really recommend you lose the bitterness. It's not going to get you anything.
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Mar 22, 2014 - 6:26 PM
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Senn555
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There are on average about fifteen archival score releases every month, sometimes more.
And rarely, if ever, are any of them for animated movie & TV score releases. And the rare times that they *do* come out (DC Comics material aside), they prove to be poor sellers. A Troll in Central Park, Wizards, now TinkerBell. Seems to me that unless the animated property is about superheroes or gay men in tight pants, or has gratuitous violence in it, sales tank because everyone assumes all animation is "aimed at kids" as you just said.
Case in point: Peter Greenhill's recent post in the Mr. Peabody & Sherman thread about it being a "children's film"... made by the same animation studio who did How to Train Your Dragon and directed by the same guy who directed The Lion King.
Try watching Avatar: The Last Airbender and tell me that it's aimed at kids.
Is it disgusting closed-mindedness when a Kritzerland release like "Visit to a Small Planet" sells poorly? Or only when it's something you personally crave?
Comparing apples to oranges. Kritzerland almost always releases golden age material so it's irrelevant if they have one golden age CD that might sell bad, because they'll continue to release them anyway, whereas Intrada won't do any more TinkerBell until sales improve.
And maybe - just maybe - animated score releases would sell better if everyone would stop obsessing over Goldsmith / Star Trek and learn to try different things that are out of their comfort zone.
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And rarely, if ever, are any of them for animated movie & TV score releases.
Maybe that's because each year the animated projects that are made, are only a fraction of the live action projects, and that adults tend to see adult-oriented real-world things. Whether than means skipping something that's good that's animated, or something that is bad that is animated. Proportionately, even if there were more animated releases each year, it would still be low. And labels have bilsl to pay, often with a lot upfront before sales ever take place, so they have to spend their money wisely. And then you have to take into consideration whether a studio will cooperate or if there are too many legal hurtles to clear.
Take, for example, one of my favorites: the scores from the fairly adult-oriented "Samurai Jack" animated series. A few years ago I asked MV about it, here as I recall, and some rights owners were not interested in doing it. So, no go.
And the rare times that they *do* come out (DC Comics material aside), they prove to be poor sellers. A Troll in Central Park, Wizards, now TinkerBell.
It may seem like that, but you're harping on your passion. Take a step back, and look at the REST of the live-action releases: tons of them don't sell well. Well over all the animated ones you could name. Why, almost ever month now we two Intrada titles being discontinued (and you should know, you start the threads here warning us) because of poor sales, under the reformunated policy as "available while quantities and interest remain!".
Seems to me that unless the animated property is about superheroes or gay men in tight pants, or has gratuitous violence in it, sales tank because everyone assumes all animation is "aimed at kids" as you just said.
Can you name for me one superhero film about homosexuals in tights? I can't think of one.
More realistic story-wise animation often producers better qaulity scores, no doubt from the inspiration. Some of the most popular animated scores have character deaths and violence.
And just exactly who is this "everyone assume", in regards to animation? There's a huge audience for adult animation and a good deal of adult-oriented projects, some more serious than others, some more lighter. And, for that matter, just because there is, doesn't mean we have to watch to appease an unhappy fan. Imagine if the Browncoats ("Firefly" fans) did what some folks of certain animated shows do, we'd be hated and there'd certainly not have been a shiney film.
Case in point: Peter Greenhill's recent post in the Mr. Peabody & Sherman thread about it being a "children's film"... made by the same animation studio who did How to Train Your Dragon and directed by the same guy who directed The Lion King.
Can you please edify us on the correlation of director of one project and another, and the studios or one project vs. another? One of the directors of "The Lion King" made the inooncent kids film "Stuart Little", but also made the bank robbery film "Flypaper", which includes murder, a shootout, and of course bank robbery.
And one of the main production companies on "Stuart Little", also was a production company on "Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo" (by the way, did you see that, or were you "close-minded" on adult comedies?).
Try watching Avatar: The Last Airbender and tell me that it's aimed at kids.
Are you speaking of the animated series or the film? I assume the animated series.
IF you are speaking of the film, well, Shyamalan said he wrote it for his kids.
Comparing apples to oranges. Kritzerland almost always releases golden age material so it's irrelevant if they have one golden age CD that might sell bad, because they'll continue to release them anyway, whereas Intrada won't do any more TinkerBell until sales improve.
No, Kritzerland contineus to sell them 'cause many of them sell out. If they sold poorly, they'd do what they did with their first and sudsequently last Billy Goldenberg title: not do anymore. Hopefully not their last, there's some good stuff by the composer that remains unreleased.
And maybe - just maybe - animated score releases would sell better if everyone would stop obsessing over Goldsmith / Star Trek and learn to try different things that are out of their comfort zone.
Why can't we be more enlightened like you then? Where we can learn to appreciate both. Or are you obsession over Ponies and other aniation so much that you won't exit your confort zone and give (live action) science fiction and Goldsmith a chance?
I think if you polled FSM, you'd find most of us appreciate MANY different stypes of scores from various film genres. Are you familiar with the phrase that starts, "When you assume..."?
I could sit here and name over 50 scores I like that I've probably never talked about, but that doesn't mean I don't know/like them.
And there's a reason why people obssess about Trek and Goldsmith: BECAUSE IT'S GOOD. It deserves to be ossessed about. Jerry earnbed his reputation by doing what he did. His peers were in awe of him (even Mancini said so); even today new compsoers cite him.
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Mar 22, 2014 - 9:18 PM
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SchiffyM
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Senn, I absolutely understand you bemoaning other people not having the same interest as you. And it's absolutely a bummer that that may mean that CDs you would like may not come out because of it.
But I can't get from there to "disgusting to say the least."
I wish more people enjoyed Miles Goodman's scores the way I do. But they don't, and I'm not holding my breath for any more after the poor sales of "Dirty Rotten Scoundrels" and "Dunston Checks In." A shame (for me, at least). But does that make people who didn't buy those disgusting, or closed-minded, or any of the other nasty things you say?
And of course not all animation is aimed at kids. But "A Troll in Central Park" and "Tinker Bell" absolutely are. And I've seen "Mr. Peabody and Sherman," and it was enjoyable (if forgettable), but it was definitely a kids film. Which is why my daughter loved it, and I thought it was a reasonable time filler.
And I'm guessing that "The Black Cauldron" and "Up" and "Toy Story 3" have sold better for Intrada than "A Troll in Central Park." Higher profile films, higher profile composers. It's not some closed-minded bias against animation.
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Mar 22, 2014 - 10:04 PM
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Senn555
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And there's a reason why people obssess about Trek and Goldsmith: BECAUSE IT'S GOOD.
No, it isn't.
Why can't we be more enlightened like you then? Where we can learn to appreciate both. Or are you obsession over Ponies and other aniation so much that you won't exit your confort zone and give (live action) science fiction and Goldsmith a chance?
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It thinks it's trying to exert its nuPower over me by once again mentioning MY LITTLE PONY* in a negative context. How adorable!
For a creature who seems to hate the very thought of MY LITTLE PONY* so much, you sure seem to enjoy bringing it up at every opportunity you can get. Can't you just come out of the stable already? It's okay, we** won't judge you.
Please retake your English as a Second Language course (because jesus your spelling is terrible) and lose the snark towards me; maybe then I'll reconsider you as a specimen that isn't a hate-mongering tool and is worthy of my serious attention and time.
Also, MacGyver sucks.***
*Bolded, italicized, and underlined because you think MY LITTLE PONY is somehow taboo for some stupid reason, so please get pissed off.
**and by "we" I mean "I". I don't know about the other 90% of this board who hates great things arbitrarily!
***In a gay sort of way. I can see why you like watching David Hasselhoff though. No, it's cool. Really, it is.
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Basil, you're kinda turning to the dark side with that post. Not cool, and not really in line with the ideals of MLP is it?
Also, it's a shame this thread had to get to ugly rather than promoting this news. Hopefully Intada takes another chance at a pressed CD for this!
Yavar
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Well, a lot of "MacGyver" does suck (but, then again, had you read the thread, you'd know that, but more than likely you just saw I made a bunch of posts in it while trying to find a snarky comment to make), but still miles better than nuMLP (also, score wise as well).
But yay for you for ignoring the valid points and criticism. I know when somebody makes a post like that, it makes me want to pounce on watching MLP:FiM and buy animated scores.
Another thread massively dead because of tainted animated ponies. And I'll be nice and not point out your grammatical errors.
Oh! And: "Caaaaannn you feel the looooovvve tonight?"
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Basil, you're kinda turning to the dark side with that post. Not cool, and not really in line with the ideals of MLP is it?
Also, it's a shame this thread had to get to ugly rather than promoting this news. Hopefully Intada takes another chance at a pressed CD for this!
Yavar
Thank you, Yavar! I did start this thread to bring some good news...
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Mar 23, 2014 - 2:04 PM
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Senn555
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Basil, you're kinda turning to the dark side with that post. Not cool, and not really in line with the ideals of MLP is it?
But LeHah already said I went to the dark side two years ago when he defriended me, so apparently I'm already there. 
And even in MLP bullies like Gilda and Suri Polomare had to be stood up to and told off.
Another thread massively dead because of tainted animated ponies.
Star Trek, Slipstream, Wing Commander, Star Wars.
Another thread massively dead because of tainted live action science fiction garbage.
See what I did there? As much as you'd love to think mentioning MY LITTLE PONY somehow kills a thread, it really doesn't. And it's your own fault for bringing it up in the first place, so... congratulations, you win?
And I'm "ignoring the valid points and criticism" because I have better things to do than have a serious argument with something that writes a ten-page college essay as a message board response. I'm going back to watching Gravity Falls now. (oops, I just "killed the thread" by mentioning another show I like that you don't, didn't I?)
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