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 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

So let's pretend the issues don't exist just because so and so mastered it? Is this what I'm hearing here?

I see no evidence of problems other than someone's subjective opinion.

 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

I don't know what al the fuss is about, I've listened to Superman Returns, several times since Christmas and honestly can't hear anything wrong with it.

I have a Panasonic stereo system and always listen through Sennheiser Headphones (not everybody in our house shares my love of film music) and to me Superman Returns sounds fine.

 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I was going to add something to the mix but I think everyone is better served if I just log out and have a cup of coffee instead.

 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Hey, I don't "hide" behind a screen name and all my criticisms do for you is increase your desire to beat me up, MV! I matter!

Also, check out this horrible idea I thought up just now!

Most labels have a presence on this message board (sometimes to trumpet their own releases, sometimes to encourage people to stop buying their releases, sometimes to write "IMHO" and transpose letters a lot). After all the funds have been funneled into acquiring the titles, when it comes to the actual production of the CD, why not seek out message board posts from the past to find out what people are looking for in an expanded release (for example, the Police Academy's source cue "El Bimbo" is just as important to some as the score itself)? Like a title-specific "Amateur Consultant." Yes, totally asinine, because you could pick one person and then 10 others would say, "Hey, I know that score WAY more than that Croatian dildo!"

Just for the sake of conversation I thought I'd throw it out there. Peck away, vultures!

 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 8:56 AM   
 By:   scoringsessions   (Member)

Both the MATRIX RELOADED and SUPERMAN RETURNS album masters were composer-approved.

 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Haven't opened this one up yet so can't comment. Though I have Hook and hear no issues.(and love the release) Some were disappointing like First Knight and Batman. (Though I think that was the result of the source material available.) The only issue I usually pick up on is when a cue sounds slurry or muffled.

 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   bagby   (Member)

Both the MATRIX RELOADED and SUPERMAN RETURNS album masters were composer-approved.

The composer? Pah! What does he know about how his music ought to sound and be presented?

 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Both the MATRIX RELOADED and SUPERMAN RETURNS album masters were composer-approved.

The composer? Pah! What does he know about how his music ought to sound and be presented?

I wonder if the producers of the sets force the composers to sit in a room with them to listen to the playback on good speakers, or if it's an earbuds situation and a "Yeah, whatever, go for it, champ!"

 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

Maybe the score sounds as good to them as it apparently does to 99% of the people who bought and listened to the album wink

 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   BrendonKelly   (Member)

Listening to Superman Returns now and think it sounds absolutely fine. On a par with all the other excellent LLL releases.

I get that people have points of view but this constant habit of turning threads from positive into negative is not good for the soul! IMHO! ;-)

 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Marlene   (Member)

The problem here is we can't take a nameless customer such as yourself seriously. You hide behind a computer screen and spout hateful bs on labels (consistently). You are pissing and moaning about Doug Schwartz's mastering job on Superman Returns and referring to us as kids? Doug is a highly respected engineer who has more experience in this field than anyone we have ever worked with. Who do you think mastered most of the FSM releases?

Do yourself a favor and stop buying our product if it makes you that unhappy. You'll live longer. smile


The typical cliché: just because someone is online he must be anonymous. You could have bothered to have a look at my profile where my blog is clearly stated. From there it´s easy to go to my Facebook profile.
I´m wondering too about Doug Schwartz, until now I didn´t have a reason to complain. And I´m going to do myself the favor you mentioned, I can assure you.

I could not recall any issues with Superman Returns, but then again I don't load up waveforms to see. I am definitely a supporter of criticism, but it must be somewhat constructive.

I listened first, then heard something and after that I had a look at waveforms. That has been my 'modus operandi' for quite some time.

Both the MATRIX RELOADED and SUPERMAN RETURNS album masters were composer-approved.

I won´t comment on that.

From the comments made by most of the people it´s clear to me that no one hears what I´m hearing. I also admit that my criticism was worded too harshly. Please accept my apologies for that.

To explain why I was reacting that way: I was very happy when LLL announced the release of the 2-disc set. I already owned the OST from 2006 so I expected the same sound quality. Upon listening to the LLL set for the first time yesterday my expectations were sadly crushed. Disappointed about the sound quality I perceived as being closer to 'Unspeakable-'level than OST-level, I wrote (oh well, complained) about it, expecting to perhaps receive an answer beyond a not-so-funny picture of 'Chinatown' (I got the 'obsession'-point).

As one person put it: 99% of listeners cannot hear it. Which either means, that I´m imagining things, most of you don´t understand what you´re listening to or that I´m too obsessed / old-fashioned when it comes to sound quality. Either way, I´ve understood I won´t change anything by saying anything. Which is the reason I´m now leaving this discussion.

 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

I personally don't think it sounds bad, there's just odd choices in the mastering that I would love to learn more about.

I think what's happening here is a cultural clash between audio enthusiasts and casual music listeners. There are some forums where audio enthusiast and audiophiles are free to discuss, debate, and analyze audio fidelity and masterings....and heated arguments are common. But in other Music related forums some of those habits are hard to resist. And casual music listeners don't get it, and probably listen to things differently.

 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

boy, I didnt expect such a reply for the production company (LLL)... "Just dont buy it"?!

and I respect ANY opinion, no matter real name or nick name, if it goes with some argumentation. And most negative comments here about this release have them: dynamics, EQ, etc... (not in great detail or objective proof, but ok, it's a start... It's not childish trashing at all).

so, how about a polite discussion on both sides?

 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)


 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 2:34 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)


 Posted:   Apr 22, 2014 - 6:48 PM   
 By:   TheSeeker   (Member)

Whoever did the CDDB entry for the first disc, complete with $, *, ** and every time a track contains John Williams' themes and/or unreleased material hopefully will be nibbled to death by cats.

"Put Here for a Reason§†*/The World Keeps Spinning†*/Closet Case*/Daily Planet* [§ contains Superman Themes by John Williams/† contains material not used in film/* previously unreleased]" IS NOT A GOOD TRACK NAME.

However, I really dig this new release. wink

 Posted:   Apr 22, 2014 - 8:23 PM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

Love the score, but again, someone has to douche all over Gracenote.

Track 14: "Bank Job§** [§ contains Superman Themes by John Williams/** contains previously unreleased material]"

Every track was submitted like this. Fricking seriously?? God....

Do you mean the S symbols? If so ya I agree...that's why I don't include them when I rip the score to my hard drive.

Well I hope he means that it's just easier to have "14 - Bank Job".
Everything else is unnecessary.

 Posted:   Apr 22, 2014 - 9:54 PM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

I named everything for myself as they appear on the CD. I just listed in the comments section on iTunes for myself (Superman themes by John Williams) but put the composer and artist as John Ottman, with Williams getting composer credit on the Main Titles and the End Credits. To each his own I suppose.

 Posted:   Apr 23, 2014 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   JeffM   (Member)

I was listening to this CD this weekend and just marveled at the fact that it is even available.

A film that, for the most part, has been "forgotten" gets an expanded 2CD release years later. I'm just in awe that these things happen now thanks to these great labels that are willing to take a chance on stuff that the general public appears to care nothing about.

Thank you to all who continue to contribute to our little "hobby" by releasing these gems.

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