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 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 2:06 AM   
 By:   Luc Van der Eeken   (Member)

I think Silvestri's Avengers was one of the best scores to one of the worst movies of 2012 IMO, really liked the theme and the bunk of the score and even with a 76 minute intrada album I was disappointed it still managed to leave off some amazing action cues! A similar thing happened to Silvestri's G.I. Joe. If these ever get expanded I'll be the first to get them! Captain America aside from the theme I did not find that spectacular.

As for Brian Tyler, I'll still be interested to see what he'll do for Avengers; I am burnt out on the whole marvel superhero movies and aside from Silvestri, most of the music hasn't grabbed me as much.


Couldn't agree more, Francis. Especially the bit about being burnt out with the whole superhero-movie thing, enough already! Can't they come up with more original stories for summer movies? Don't get me wrong, there are some pretty good movies among them but when magazines like Empire or Total Film present their 'upteenth' superhero-preview with 100 or so new projects (!) it' just the bores the hell out of me.

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   johnmullin   (Member)

wow... Silvestri has really been catching a string of bad luck! if this is true, it would be the third time he has been replaced as the composer for a blockbuster series

Well, I think there's a difference between being "replaced" and "not hired for the sequel."

It's not like he started to score any of these movies and then was fired… he simply wasn't hired to score part 2. That could be for any number of reasons: Perhaps Marvel didn't want to pay Silvestri's rate… Maybe Silvestri wasn't available or interested… or maybe they all just thought Tyler was a better fit for the material (and their notoriously crazy schedules)? Who knows?

Marvel's pattern lately has been to have a big name director come in for "part 1" and then to hire TV directors without much feature experience for "part 2." No Kenneth Branagh on THOR 2 (they brought in Alan Taylor, who was mostly known as an excellent TV director from MAD MEN and GAME OF THRONES). No Joe Johnston for CAPTAIN AMERICA 2 (they hired Anthony and Joe Russo, who are best known as the producing directors of ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT and COMMUNITY!). James Gunn (known for directing SUPER and SLITHER, and writing those s***ty SCOOBY DOO movies as well as numerous Troma productions) is making GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY next, and even Joss Whedon wasn't exactly known as a blockbuster feature director prior to getting the gig on THE AVENGERS.

When you look at all that, it's not surprisingly to me that they would go with someone like Tyler as their house composer… he can work fast (somehow, he's scoring dozens of features and TV projects a year) and he probably isn't as expensive as someone like Silvestri is. I wish they would pay the big money to get some of the older masters who are still writing great music out there, but it looks like those days might be behind them.

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

he probably isn't as expensive as someone like Silvestri is.

It is well known in the film business, but maybe not so well known elsewhere, that unless you somehow have them over a barrel (as Robert Downey Jr. did), Marvel pays well below market rate for the privilege of working on one of their features. Basically, their tactic is "we'll make your career, but we won't pay you." Those TV directors you mention have taken huge pay cuts to do these movies, despite their gargantuan budgets.

I'm not saying Tyler is unworthy, or that this is why he was hired, but Silvestri's high quote could very well be a factor.

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   johnmullin   (Member)

As always, I have no inside information here: I'm just speculating.

But I should also add that I really liked Tyler's score for IRON MAN 3. As a whole I thought it was effective and memorable, and he’s the only composer of the three (or four if you count THE AVENGERS) who was able to come up with an Iron Man theme that sticks.

I've heard the THOR 2 album, but haven't seen the movie. It sounds decent. The main theme sounds a lot like the Iron Man theme he wrote to me, but oh well. It seems that Marvel could do worse than Tyler for future movies.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   ddddeeee   (Member)

Brian Kirk, another television director, turned down The Dark World because the pay was apparently too low. They're infamously stingy and probably helps explain why so few people seem to stick around despite Branagh, Favreau, Leterrier and now Taylor all going on to direct more blockbusters.

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

he probably isn't as expensive as someone like Silvestri is.

It is well known in the film business, but maybe not so well known elsewhere, that unless you somehow have them over a barrel (as Robert Downey Jr. did), Marvel pays well below market rate for the privilege of working on one of their features. Basically, their tactic is "we'll make your career, but we won't pay you." Those TV directors you mention have taken huge pay cuts to do these movies, despite their gargantuan budgets.

I'm not saying Tyler is unworthy, or that this is why he was hired, but Silvestri's high quote could very well be a factor.


How does that work with the SPIDER-MAN features, then? Is it because they're under Sony control that Marvel doesn't meddle as much as they do with their Avengers series?

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

How does that work with the SPIDER-MAN features, then? Is it because they're under Sony control that Marvel doesn't meddle as much as they do with their Avengers series?

Yes.

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   johnmullin   (Member)

Right SPIDER-MAN and X-MEN (and FANTASTIC FOUR, still?) have been licensed out to other studios, so that's a different scenario than the movies that Marvel produces directly.

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

Brian Tyler has signed on to score Marvel Studios’ upcoming superhero sequel "Avengers: Age Of Ultron" cool

So, any sources? Usually Tyler posts these things on his Facebook, or some other reporter gets wind of it. Is it official, or just an internet rumor?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

Tyler may very well be in negotiations to score A:AOU, but until "film music reporter" or the like confirms it. This is just another rumor to me.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   Victor Rosario-Fermaint   (Member)

I think Brian Tyler's music greatly enhanced the cinematic experience of both "Iron Man 3" and "Thor: The Dark World". Strangely enough the only tune I truly remember is the new Marvel fanfare. Silvestri's work on "Cap: TFA and "The Avengers" stayed in my head a lot more. Having said that, keeping the "Fast & Furious" composer makes sense when you are introducing a super speeding character like Quicksiver (Aaron Taylor-Johnson). Although, I would love if Marvel gives Don Davis (The Matrix) a chance instead, now that the villain is the artificialy intelligent robot Ultron, that is if they are truly not keeping Alan Silvestri around.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   Victor Rosario-Fermaint   (Member)

I think Brian Tyler's music greatly enhanced the cinematic experience of both "Iron Man 3" and "Thor: The Dark World". Strangely enough the only tune I truly remember is the new Marvel fanfare. Silvestri's work on "Cap: TFA and "The Avengers" stayed in my head a lot more. Having said that, keeping the "Fast & Furious" composer makes sense when you are introducing a super speeding character like Quicksiver (Aaron Taylor-Johnson). Although, I would love if Marvel gives Don Davis (The Matrix) a chance instead, now that the villain is the artificialy intelligent robot Ultron, that is if they are truly not keeping Alan Silvestri around.

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

I would love to see Brian get the gig, but I was told not too long ago Silvestri was returning.

Guess we will just have to wait and see

MV

 
 Posted:   Dec 30, 2013 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Adam Krysinski   (Member)

We must waiting for the official confirmation. Or not.

 
 Posted:   Dec 31, 2013 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

I would love to see Brian get the gig, but I was told not too long ago Silvestri was returning.

Guess we will just have to wait and see

MV


I think Brian Tyler is very talented and could do it, BUT I also believe Alan Silvestri is the most logical choice. Let Silvestri do his thing... don`t muck with something you need not muck with. Here`s to maintaining a high Mucklessness.

Besides, I imagine there will be some healthy cross-polination potential, as well as a lower possibility for BTB (B.rian T.yler B.urnout).

(speaking of the composer burning out, not us getting 'tired' of him)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2014 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

I'm late to this news, but I sincerely hope that Silvestri returns. I've seen Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 and listened to their respective scores, and I honestly can't help but find Tyler's music to be irritatingly vanilla. By all rights, I should *LOVE* his music - stirring themes, bold brassy action. But yet, I just don't. I'm sure I'll catch flak for it, but I've given his music years of chances. Silvestri's main themes for Captain American and The Avengers, however, are still firmly planted in my mind.

Have there been any updates since Dec '13?

 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2014 - 5:53 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I'm late to this news, but I sincerely hope that Silvestri returns. I've seen Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 and listened to their respective scores, and I honestly can't help but find Tyler's music to be irritatingly vanilla. By all rights, I should *LOVE* his music - stirring themes, bold brassy action. But yet, I just don't. I'm sure I'll catch flak for it, but I've given his music years of chances. Silvestri's main themes for Captain American and The Avengers, however, are still firmly planted in my mind.

Have there been any updates since Dec '13?


Don't worry, bondo, I'm on your side. So that's 2.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2014 - 6:15 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

I think John Williams should do it smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2014 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   Adam Krysinski   (Member)

Now it's official.

Brian has officially signed on to score Marvel Studios’ Avengers: Age of Ultron.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2014 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   moviescore1   (Member)

I've been impressed with both of Tyler's scores for Thor and Iron Man so this has a lot of promise. I just finished watching Thor: The Dark World the other day and I thought the score worked great in the movie. The last few scores from Tyler have made me a much bigger fan (Now You See Me, Thor, Iron Man). I wonder if he'll try to incorporate Silvestri's theme in this at all or go for an a whole different approach. The Avengers theme was such a fun piece ...It's actually my ringtone... smile

 
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