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 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


Saving Mr. Banks would have been unbearable if it had strictly stuck to the facts.


So if the astronauts died in the Apollo 13 accident, it would have been fine if Ron Howard changed the ending so the astronauts survived? Some facts should not be altered.

 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I love "Uncle Harlan" both as a writer and as a person filled with commentary and insight. He's the drunk, asshole relative that you're scared of as a kid but you grow up to idolize and understand when you're in your 20s.

Despite the fact he's one of the best writers in the world, he often does or says things I disagree with. Groping Connie Willis on stage, in public is very far removed from anything close to acceptable and that act alone really put me off from him for a year or two. Ditto some of his "bridge burning antics" with other writers; I got an earful this year from an old colleague of his about Harlan's ego - and he was right that the man has a Napoleon complex when it comes to his writing boosting his ego.

That doesn't mean the man is wrong here, though.

Harlan is a lot like George Carlin, in that he sees truths and states them to make them real. And where Carlin was afflicted with drug problems, Harlan is simply affected with Harlan. It would be most unwise to ignore him outright, in any case.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)


Saving Mr. Banks would have been unbearable if it had strictly stuck to the facts.


So if the astronauts died in the Apollo 13 accident, it would have been fine if Ron Howard changed the ending so the astronauts survived? Some facts should not be altered.


And then there is this film that adds fuel to the fire;

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/08/showbiz/captain-phillips-movie-controversy/

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

Which seems to lead us to the question,

Can't Tom Hanks be in a totally truthful movie these days?

and as foretold in THE FINAL CONFLICT

Tom Hanks is Damien Thorn! Sam Neill just played him in the movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

Well, he may have found a new target, but this is basically just the same old rant on how the writer's work should be sacred but she/he always gets screwed over by directors, producers, etc. Apparently after all these years good old Harlan still hasn't realized that film and television are collaborative media and the author is just one of many contributors to the creative process that produces a finished product. I'm sure Travers hated the Disney version of her beloved characters and Ellison is still probably grumbling about the film made from his story A Boy and His Dog, but I doubt very much if either of them felt the need to uphold their convictions strongly enough to refuse that nice chunk of change they got for selling their work to the movies (a spoonful of cash really does help the bad medicine go down). They probably were cursing all the way to the Banks.

 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

@ Doc Loch- Very true. I hear the Tolkien estate HATES the Jackson's films. But it sure made them a sh@t full of money didn't it? If you believe your work is too sacred for the cinema, then don't accept the big fat pay checks.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   neotrinity   (Member)

We were once at a CBS gala function when He-Known-as-Archie-Bunker engaged in the same offensive behavior you cite, Le, towards a well-endowed actress on another night-tyme CBS show (whilst those who saw it impolitely pretended they didn't). Such disrespectful antics only accentuate one's Gifts aren't always honorably aligned with one's actions.

There's nothing new re Mr. Ellison being exactly what he is (and, after all these decades, we truly wonder if the collaborative aspect of mo'om pitchers still sticks in his craw as if he was a neophyte with no idea of what the bizness demands, does and will continue to do to EVERYONE, not just wordsmiths) ...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

The guy takes 10 minutes to tell you what could have been presented in 2 minutes, 3 tops. Yawn. Still, not surprised that this movie is not truthful anymore.


And Tom Hanks doesn't even look like Walt Disney!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 26, 2013 - 5:28 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

The guy takes 10 minutes to tell you what could have been presented in 2 minutes, 3 tops. Yawn. Still, not surprised that this movie is not truthful anymore.


And Tom Hanks doesn't even look like Walt Disney!


I wanted to see Kevin Costner as Lovell in APOLLO 13. I think Lovell did too.

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2013 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Lets face it _ HE can not stand the fact that Philip Dick, Richard Matheson and Ray Bradbury continue to have their work adapted for Hollywood and television.
No one is banging down Harlan's door with offers.
It MUST really stick in Harlan's craw/claw that PKD (or his estate) has reaped millions of dollars
from sales of his stories.
Even Richard Matherson - RIP - sold a decades old story that was turned into "Real Steel"

Course, i could be wrong
wink
bruce

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2013 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Harlan can be fun and Harlan can be tiresome and Harlan can certainly be self-serving, which he is in this tired video rant.


Richard Sherman loves the film, and he knows precisely why they did what they did in the sections where things were manipulated. And he agrees with what they did because he knows that to have stuck strictly to the actual happenings and how Mrs. Travers actually was would have resulted in a one-note, strident movie that no one on the planet would ever want to see.


Well, maybe ONE person!
LOL!
brm

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2013 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)


Saving Mr. Banks would have been unbearable if it had strictly stuck to the facts.


So if the astronauts died in the Apollo 13 accident, it would have been fine if Ron Howard changed the ending so the astronauts survived? Some facts should not be altered.


it's called "drama" silly boy
smile
brm

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2013 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

I quite like some of Ellison's writing but as a person I've always thought he was a total wanker.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2014 - 8:27 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)



Darn if he isn't starting to look like Gollum. Listen to how he says "egregious." They wouldn't even need CGI.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2014 - 10:18 PM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2014 - 11:35 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)



Darn if he isn't starting to look like Gollum. Listen to how he says "egregious." They wouldn't even need CGI.


He's a great storyteller and these videos are priceless.

Ford A. Thaxton

 
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