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 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 1:05 PM   
 By:   GoodMusician86   (Member)

I've seen some discussion on this topic but not a whole lot of information seems to have come to light.

I have read that the sole existing elements of the original recording were stored on a DAT tape. I've read both that only bits and pieces of the score for the album assembly were preserved and also that the full sessions were saved. Either way, this DAT tape was the source of two separate releases:

1) The LP Album assembly
2) An expanded score.

I know there have been rumors of a complete score release for this to be coming, Amazon even had a product listed to be released but the date has come and passed so I wonder if anyone might have any thoughts or input on this, if perhaps we can expect a more complete release or if what we have is truly all that's left.

I've done some study in the score to see what we have, what we don't, and these were my findings.

*** Indicates Unreleased

# Main Titles
-There are two 'versions' of this-
a) Album
b) *** Film mix (more choir-centric and lacking some of the synth)

# The Goblins (Unused)

# My True Love's Eyes
a) *** The original film has a different vocal performance
b) The Album version is said to be a 'studio' version
c) *** An isolated Orchestral version would be nice

# The Cottage
# Teach Me
a) Original
b) Revised

# The Unicorns
a) There are two mixes of this

# Living River
a) *** The original film has a different vocal performance
b) The Album version is said to be a 'studio' version
c) *** An isolated Orchestral version would be nice

# Bumps and Hollows

# The Freeze (Mostly Unused)
a) *** Partially omitted on the album and mostly unused

# The Gump
# Faeries

# Life Be But a Dream
a) *** possibly an extension or alternate "Faeries" but is only heard in the film in a mono center channel mix implying that it may be missing.

# Silence
a) *** again, possibly an extension of "Faeries" or "Life be But a Dream" but is heard only in film

# Faerie Dance
a) *** Isolated Orchestra
b) *** With Vocals (heard in the deleted scene)
c) *** alternate violin performance (spoken of in interview)

# Faerie Dance (Alt)
a) Isolated Orchestra
b) Said to be an album version but fits the film and vocals

# The Riddle
a) Original
b) Alternate Ending

# Forgive Me
# The Armour
# Oona's Secret
# *** Get The Mare (Omit)
# Sing The Wee
# *** Demon Chant (Source)
# ***Frying Pan (Unused)

# Following The Goblins (Unused)
a) Album version
b) *** Alternate version

# Meg (Unused)
# Mare in the Dungeon
# Oona's Reveal
# *** Hall of Columns (Unused)
# Gifts of Jewels

# The Dress Waltz
a) The full version of this cue is NOT on the album (the ending is cut)

# Darkness Appears
a) Choir Mix is on the album
b) *** Orchestral mix is unreleased


# *** Tracked Music From "SLUGS The Movie" by Tim Souster
# Tracked Music from 'Psycho II' by Jerry Goldsmith

# Without Light There is No Darkness
# The Ring

# Lilly Awakens
a) *** Film version
b) Album version

# True Loves Eyes - Credits
a) *** Would love an orchestral version
b) Album version

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I wondered if anyone here might know if the DAT tape does indeed contain all the score and since it's Universal, was there any chance a release might...well...escape heh

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

The title of the thread is somewhat incorrect as the fact that LEGEND has existed as a solid 71 minute album since 1992. Silva Screen Records has owned the right to it since then. There is also the old Up Art CD which does have a different mix. The Silva version is the best one to get, and it has about 90% Goldsmith's work.

However... LEGEND: THE COMPLETE SCORE? Hopefully we will see it! There are some interesting bits that would be nice to have. I am all for a full 2CD version of this one.

-Rick O.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The title of the thread is somewhat incorrect as the fact that LEGEND has existed as a solid 71 minute album since 1992.

Yeah, I was about to say the same thing. It seems that these days a soundtrack doesn't exist at all unless it's complete and chronological. We've seen threads and posts formulated like that for several years now. Nothing against the topic starter, in particular, but it's a bit annoying that it's come to that. But hey -- what you can do?

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   The Projectionist   (Member)

Yeah this score was released on Silva back in the 90s and Varese within the last 10 years, both are very long albums. Perhaps the OP is unaware?

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   The Projectionist   (Member)

dp

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 2:50 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

Varese was "going" to release it back in '02 as a "Deluxe Edition" but Silva continued to maintain the rights.

-Rick O

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   GoodMusician86   (Member)

I have...adjusted...the egregiously mis-titled post. I am aware that 2 versions were released (I say it rather plainly in the main post).

Although I don't disagree with the sentiments that what we have is very nice, it still plays like an extended album and some of the best pieces of the film are still missing.

Some of the most interesting moments and turns in the score are missing.

'Frozen' although a majority of this sequence is presented, the middle section is missing.

'The Faeries' sequence music, although a version is presented, seems to have been very different in its final version.

'Faerie Dance' the actual intended fully mixed version.

'Frying Pan' is one cue that I really like due to the juxtapositions of the two themes. It plays of very well in the cue.

'Hall of Columns' which plays as Lily runs through Darkness' castle followed by Oona.

'Lily Awakens' the full original intended sequence is superb and I'm surprised it didn't make the album.

And I was curious who would still hold the rights to the score, so if it is Silva, then perhaps I should ask them about it hmmm

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 3:08 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

The Silva CD is fine for me. I love this score...with a passion...but I can't imagine it being any more satisfying.

The movie itself is so rife with cut and paste music and some other tracked cues... the Silva CD is the score in a perfect listening experience.

Now, if some ultra fabuloso extended CD was released - yeah sure I'd buy it. But the album is just perfect.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   c8   (Member)

I assume you referenced this site when researching: http://www.figmentfly.com/legend/index.shtml

That is the authoritative Legend resource, including a lot of writing on the score.

Description of unused music: http://www.figmentfly.com/legend/music3.html

Music as used in the film, timed track by track, scene by scene: http://www.figmentfly.com/legend/music4.html

There's many other articles on that site as well. Well worth the reads.

I would welcome a complete Goldsmith Legend. I consider Legend equally as much a magnum opus in Goldsmith's filmography as Star Trek: TMP. I'm not a huge fan of Goldsmith, but I could listen to Legend on repeat for hours. There's so much music left to be released (the film version of Reunited is a grail for me; Goldsmith obviously scored both endings that were shot as there's music for the reattachment of the alicorn on the album version of Reunited). I'm always horrified when people say Tangerine Dream's score is better. Its a curiosity, not entirely unlistenable on its own. But it absolutely ruins the film on every level whereas Goldsmith's score elevates the film to the kind of faerie tale Scott wanted.

For my money, Legend is also the greatest filmmaking disaster to study. It may not be the biggest failure ever, but the post production nightmare is so interesting to read about. Scott nor Goldsmith would ever be the same after Legend.

I always wonder what Goldsmith saw that was left behind. Read the scene by scene music analysis. Goldsmith clearly wrote many alternates and music that has no place in the finished film. Furthermore, this quote leaves a lot to wonder:

I also asked Goldsmith once about Legend, and he said that he actually was not able complete the whole score, apparently because the schedule ran-over, and he had a commitment to another score. This may explain why the kitchen scene has no original music

The two theatrical releases of the film are sub-par. The director's edition shows what promise there was. I've read the shooting script. I wonder what was shot, what wasn't, and what was left on the cutting room floor (or even what was scored; I don't think a scene was ever shot for Sing the Wee; sounds to me like a preproduction song that was never shot for). A fully fleshed out Legend--as was scripted--could have been something remarkably special. Its still a very guilty pleasure for me, but the 113 minute version still has some strange holes and edits that demonstrate there was more that should be there. Aw well.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   GoodMusician86   (Member)

I've read through all those pages. They are fascinating and informative! and yes, I enjoyed their information: it really helped my study.

I won't disagree that the film has a lot of editing and cut and paste... but one thing that I found most interesting was the use of music but pitching it down an octave but keeping the speed the same... this created some really odd/interesting atmospheric effects especially when they arrive at the bog.

I've resynced the actual music to the sequence and it feels so much more like an adventure...really great music.

Same with the "Hall of Columns." Although we're all infinitely familiar with the final product which creates a dream-like ethereal presence in that scene, the original is very interesting too.

I've taken all three versions of the film and edited them to the music and it is very interesting to see what the sequences could/might/seem to have been like... and what was intended.

The DC is a fascinating piece of work although I don't think the transfer was very good... perhaps because the masters are old and degraded but what once were crisp clear forests are now almost over saturated (which made inter-cutting them very obvious).

I would argue there is a great deal more to learn of what Goldsmith did for the film... and with how muddled our understanding is, a release that would be presented chronologically and not as an album, we'd get a much clearer idea of what had been intended.

And as stated, the "Sing The Wee" seems to be like a credits version.... makes you wonder if the vocals to the original exist somewhere...

One can hope...

 
 Posted:   Nov 26, 2013 - 9:13 PM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

The film is a godawful mess, but the score is sublime and captures everything the movie tried to be. Put me down for an expanded release if one ever materializes.

Having said that, I've always suspected that there were not more than 4-5 minutes of unreleased score, not including film versions of tracks on the album. I hope I'm wrong about that. If someone were to take on the project it would be nice to have the film mixes on disc one and the 46 minute Up-Art album on disc two with the album versions and Jerry's original sequencing intact. It's a very nice album experience and might be a pleasant surprise to everyone who only knows the Silva release.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2013 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I'm always horrified when people say Tangerine Dream's score is better. Its a curiosity, not entirely unlistenable on its own. But it absolutely ruins the film on every level whereas Goldsmith's score elevates the film to the kind of faerie tale Scott wanted.

Tangerine Dream's score is better.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2013 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Dan J. Schulte   (Member)

I'm always horrified when people say Tangerine Dream's score is better. Its a curiosity, not entirely unlistenable on its own. But it absolutely ruins the film on every level whereas Goldsmith's score elevates the film to the kind of faerie tale Scott wanted.

Tangerine Dream's score is better.


Tangerine Dream's score is better.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2013 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   indyray   (Member)

I have the vinyl from Tangerine Dream and Bryan Ferry,that sound o.k.
But not for Legend.
Jerry Goldsmith,s score is the best.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2013 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)


Tangerine Dream's score is better.

Tangerine Dream's score is better.


No it isn't and no it isn't.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2013 - 5:27 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)


Tangerine Dream's score is better.

Tangerine Dream's score is better.


No it isn't and no it isn't.


Count me horrified too.

The film is an appaling mess with Tangerine Dream's score. With Goldsmith's it becomes almost watchable.

As album listens on their own, TD's is a light pleasant listen while Goldsmith's is a masterpiece

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2013 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   TominAtl   (Member)

The movie as it was released was a mess. The best part of the film, sans Goldsmiths music, is Tim Curry as the Darkness, and his costume and make up. Though he is totally unrecognizable he does exude menace.

The set design, ambitious as it was, looks totally fake and claustrophobic even. The rest of the cast is annoying as hell. Cruise not only looks perpetually surprised throughout the picture, he spends nearly 3/4 of his screen time...SQUATTING! Seriously, if you played the drinking game that every time the screen shows Tom Cruise squatting you take a swig of beer, you may actually die of alcohol poisoning.

Even with the recut version and Goldsmiths music added back in, like they did for the European version, the movie overall is a total bore.

I too like the Silva presentation as it is. But I will also say for me it's not amongst my favorite of Goldsmith, but that is just a personal taste. I have never been a huge fan of his electronic elements he liked to use from time to time, with some exceptions of course.



 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2013 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   The Beach Bum   (Member)

It's interesting how the this film is such a flashpoint in regard to which score is better. You never see these types of heated exchanges with Something Wicked This Way Comes, The Big Blue, Jimmy Reardon or Edge Of Darkness.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2013 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   indyray   (Member)

I don,t agree
First of all: Legend would have been a great picture without all that editing.
Jerry Goldsmith,s score is perfect for Legend.
Rob Bottin,s fearietale creatures are also well done.
The Set is great.
what i don,t like ,is the the opinion from the audience before releasing this picture,
changing everything!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2013 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   indyray   (Member)

I hope Silva Screen release the complete LEGEND.
Then you hear Legend as it suposed to be.

 
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