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 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 6:23 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

TO FRANCIS- One of the few absolutes in this world is change.I think people who could not stand disco in the mid to late 70's thought it would last forever. FILM MUSIC will CHANGE, in time everything does. Patience is a virtue.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 10:46 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Wow! Though I've been asleep through most of this excellent discussion, and I'm too dumb to understand most of it anyway, I'm still going to take credit for helping spark it off.

And to think, all I did was paraphrase Plato on the nature of excellence and the inborn memory of the Good. One day I may even come up with a few ideas of my own. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2013 - 10:53 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

As a huge animation fan, I'm very happy they are still done with big bold thematic scores. And it many of my favorite scores by some composers -- and in other cases the ONLY ones I like (Jackman and Jablonski for instance) -- are for animation.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 4:38 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

As a huge animation fan, I'm very happy they are still done with big bold thematic scores. And it many of my favorite scores by some composers -- and in other cases the ONLY ones I like (Jackman and Jablonski for instance) -- are for animation.

You are right, there are a lot of good animation scores recently.

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 5:38 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

As a huge animation fan, I'm very happy they are still done with big bold thematic scores. And it many of my favorite scores by some composers -- and in other cases the ONLY ones I like (Jackman and Jablonski for instance) -- are for animation.

You are right, there are a lot of good animation scores recently.


Many by Zimmer and his gang. Maybe a different thread, but why has animation stuck to a more traditional scoring sound?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

OtherTallGuy

Yeah, I think you are on to something there.

It does appear that animation directors are more open to a traditional full orchestral approach than the live action pictures we are seeing. We saw some interesting scores this season with

Epic
The Croods
Planes
Frozen

And I think you could argue that the more interesting scores from Hans and RC have been for animated pictures, probably again because the directors and producers are more willing for that, not sure why, but I think it works better.

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 8:31 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I'd been hoping to start a new discussion on Zimmer's first Sherlock Holmes score but thought better of it because of the eventual sh!tstorm that would follow. If such a thread ever gets started, I would hope that Thor, Ado, Francis, and the rest who have contributed such enlightening, erudite posts in this thread would also do so there.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I'd been hoping to start a new discussion on Zimmer's first Sherlock Holmes score but thought better of it because of the eventual sh!tstorm that would follow. If such a thread ever gets started, I would hope that Thor, Ado, Francis, and the rest who have contributed such enlightening, erudite posts in this thread would also do so there.

I would be happy to join in there if you dare post it Jim. I know I am almost alone on this but I liked that film, more than the second one. And I thought that whole gypsy string thing, and what else was in there, (harpsichord?) was something really different for Hans.

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

I'd been hoping to start a new discussion on Zimmer's first Sherlock Holmes score but thought better of it because of the eventual sh!tstorm that would follow. If such a thread ever gets started, I would hope that Thor, Ado, Francis, and the rest who have contributed such enlightening, erudite posts in this thread would also do so there.

I would be happy to join in there if you dare post it Jim. I know I am almost alone on this but I liked that film, more than the second one. And I thought that whole gypsy string thing, and what else was in there, (harpsichord?) was something really different for Hans.


I liked both films a lot. (First more than second.) I don’t listen to it much because then I can’t get it out of my head. Some of it is a little too frantic for me, but it’s definitely music. I don’t mind when Zimmer says “I know! I’ll construct an entire score on sea shells and toothbrushes!” as long as he writes music to go with it rather than just relying on THE EFFECT. He’s been known to do both.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I'd been hoping to start a new discussion on Zimmer's first Sherlock Holmes score but thought better of it because of the eventual sh!tstorm that would follow. If such a thread ever gets started, I would hope that Thor, Ado, Francis, and the rest who have contributed such enlightening, erudite posts in this thread would also do so there.

I would be happy to join in there if you dare post it Jim. I know I am almost alone on this but I liked that film, more than the second one. And I thought that whole gypsy string thing, and what else was in there, (harpsichord?) was something really different for Hans.


I liked both films a lot. (First more than second.) I don’t listen to it much because then I can’t get it out of my head. Some of it is a little too frantic for me, but it’s definitely music. I don’t mind when Zimmer says “I know! I’ll construct an entire score on sea shells and toothbrushes!” as long as he writes music to go with it rather than just relying on THE EFFECT. He’s been known to do both.


yes, that is another interesting point, amusing too, I think he gets entranced by an idea and we get a bit a hammered with it. It is probably a bit thematically weak and/or repetitive, but I appreciate some real instrumentation being used on Sherlock Holmes 1. It helps to age the score to back then, whereas the modern approach would have seemed more incongruous, so he was at least trying to be somewhat more organic than like he was scoring Days of Thunder for example.

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I'd been hoping to start a new discussion on Zimmer's first Sherlock Holmes score but thought better of it because of the eventual sh!tstorm that would follow. If such a thread ever gets started, I would hope that Thor, Ado, Francis, and the rest who have contributed such enlightening, erudite posts in this thread would also do so there.

I would be happy to join in there if you dare post it Jim. I know I am almost alone on this but I liked that film, more than the second one. And I thought that whole gypsy string thing, and what else was in there, (harpsichord?) was something really different for Hans.


I found Sherlock Holmes a fun score with a catchy theme; I went to see it in the theater and the sound level was so high it blew one of the speakers which had a hiss during most of the movie lol. Thread on! smile

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

I'd been hoping to start a new discussion on Zimmer's first Sherlock Holmes score but thought better of it because of the eventual sh!tstorm that would follow.

And there's your basic misunderstanding. Any criticism is, in and of itself, automatically considered a "shitstorm". And that's sad. Because of today's (non-)educational culture of "I'm ok, you're ok", ANYthing is considered OK. Thus, there's no real disagreement. Because disagreement needs differentiation, energy, ultimately, intelligence. But REAL discussion is dangerous. "I Like it" - that's it. That's the depth that most discussions on any board (not just this one) gravitate towards. I could use quotation marks for both 'depth' and 'gravitate', and, these days, I probably would have to - because irony and sarcasm have died when real discussion died. It's either you love it, or you're negative. Nothing in between. I can understand: I had a number of visiting professors from the US in my day, who all emphasised the "There's no wrong answer" style. They all sucked.

I'm not mincing words: Hans Zimmer is a hack. He'l always be a hack. Still, with the people who supported him, he co-created some nice scores before 2000. "The Lion King" I consider the "best" (as in: most important) score of 1994. And I stand by that. And there's a number of pre-2000 scores of his I rather like. They're not great, but they're not bad either. No matter which outside influence caused them to be not bad. But after that ...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm not mincing words: Hans Zimmer is a hack. He'l always be a hack.

Well, that's your opinion.

Besides, that kind of labelling is exactly the OPPOSITE of what makes a fruitful debate. When two people have opposing viewpoints on a matter, it's better to approach the debate with at least mutual respect for each other's side, as exemplified with the discussion I had with ado and others above. Surely, you could get your points across with more constructive words, preferably specific issues? If we were sitting in a pub over a beer and you knew I loved Zimmer's music, would you really throw such words out there? Or would you strive to get your negative opinions across in a more constructive fashion that didn't totally sour the mood? Just sayin'.

 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   GOLDSMITHDAKING   (Member)

I'm not mincing words: Hans Zimmer is a hack. He'l always be a hack.

Well, that's your opinion.

Besides, that kind of labelling is exactly the OPPOSITE of what makes a fruitful debate. When two people have opposing viewpoints on a matter, it's better to approach the debate with at least mutual respect for each other's side, as exemplified with the discussion I had with ado and others above. Surely, you could get your points across with more constructive words, preferably specific issues? If we were sitting in a pub over a beer and you knew I loved Zimmer's music, would you really throw such words out there? Or would you strive to get your negative opinions across in a more constructive fashion that didn't totally sour the mood? Just sayin'.


Well said Thor.There seem to be people here who cannot understand that everyone is entitled to an opinion and that any defence of Zimmer means that fans of the man think hes beyond criticism.As iv mentioned already, its ok to criticise him but not to disparage the man or his fans.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

I'm not mincing words: Hans Zimmer is a hack. He'l always be a hack.

Well, that's your opinion.

Besides, that kind of labelling is exactly the OPPOSITE of what makes a fruitful debate. When two people have opposing viewpoints on a matter, it's better to approach the debate with at least mutual respect for each other's side, as exemplified with the discussion I had with ado and others above. Surely, you could get your points across with more constructive words, preferably specific issues? If we were sitting in a pub over a beer and you knew I loved Zimmer's music, would you really throw such words out there? Or would you strive to get your negative opinions across in a more constructive fashion that didn't totally sour the mood? Just sayin'.


You wouldn't use such words in real life MERELY BECAUSE real life friends have other social bonds than their shared enthusiasm of "film music." If the ONLY bond between you and him is film music and you happen to LOVE the music he HATES, you guys wouldn't be sitting in a pub pretending you're friends.

'Sides, this is a public forum, not a private saloon for discussion between close friends. Labels and strong words are necessary in a public forum, for (a) they grab attention so that the topic does not get buried; (b) they elicit heated discussion of passion which is exactly what a public forum is for.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Well said Thor.There seem to be people here who cannot understand that everyone is entitled to an opinion and that any defence of Zimmer means that fans of the man think hes beyond criticism.As iv mentioned already, its ok to criticise him but not to disparage the man or his fans.


wink
I think you really miss YOR.
Why else would you not only mention him in your original post, but in the present tense to boot?
big grin


But in all seriousness, you started out this thread with an insult to all those you deem "haters" as sounding like a "broken record", and you think you're NOT going to get a response?
That's trolling, methinks.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 16, 2013 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

Well said Thor.There seem to be people here who cannot understand that everyone is entitled to an opinion and that any defence of Zimmer means that fans of the man think hes beyond criticism.As iv mentioned already, its ok to criticise him but not to disparage the man or his fans.


wink
I think you really miss YOR.
Why else would you not only mention him in your original post, but in the present tense to boot?
big grin


But in all seriousness, you started out this thread with an insult to all those you deem "haters" as sounding like a "broken record", and you think you're NOT going to get a response?
That's trolling, methinks.


At least YOR's trolling was funny, and the subsequent barbaric fury from the Zimmer lovers was entertaining.

 
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