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 Posted:   Apr 17, 2012 - 8:56 PM   
 By:   AndyDursin   (Member)

From what I can hear from the clips there doesn't seem to be any reverb. I may not be an astute listener, but I can tell it sounds very good from those clips.

Maybe it's not evident in the clips, but there's not only some reverb, there's a lot of it. frown

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2012 - 2:07 AM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

I agree. A bit too much reverb, and the mix is not as the original one: some instruments have too high volume, other ones have too low volume.

Why don't use the original stereo mix? Why make a new mix from the multi tracks elements? I can't understand.

The sound is too crisp and reverbered, the original score of the 1985 made by Bernstein had more bass frequences, this new mix is too dynamic and crisp, where are all the low frequences gone?....

It's not a mess, it sounds quite good, but this is not the ORIGINAL SCORE, this is a new mix from the original elements.... It's a bit different.
I would like to buy only original scores, not new mix from the original multi track elements.....

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2012 - 5:59 AM   
 By:   avalanche   (Member)

So, I guess I can put this release on the back burner now, until Intrada announces that it is going to go out of print, then I can get it?

It's part of the Disney line on their label, and shouldn't be limited. You're probably safe for some time yet.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2012 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   AndyDursin   (Member)

It's not a mess, it sounds quite good, but this is not the ORIGINAL SCORE, this is a new mix from the original elements.... It's a bit different.
I would like to buy only original scores, not new mix from the original multi track elements.....


To use a Blu-Ray type of analogy, it's like someone at the studio adding Digital Noise Reduction to an otherwise perfect HD transfer. I don't mean to complain but it's distracting at times, unfortunately.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2012 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

The Intrada sounded very clear and detailed on my Stax headphones the first and only time that I gave it a spin -- I will have to give it another listen! What are you guys basing your comparison on? I am planning on listening carefully to the DVD to compare, etc.

Tyuan, there was no "original mix" ever released with which you could compare the Intrada -- unless you mean the film as projected in a theater or released on home video - ? The Varese lp/CD is a rerecording by a different orchestra that has nothing to do with the original tracks as recorded and used in the film.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2012 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   TheMarquis   (Member)

I agree. A bit too much reverb, and the mix is not as the original one: some instruments have too high volume, other ones have too low volume.

Why don't use the original stereo mix? Why make a new mix from the multi tracks elements? I can't understand.

The sound is too crisp and reverbered, the original score of the 1985 made by Bernstein had more bass frequences, this new mix is too dynamic and crisp, where are all the low frequences gone?....

It's not a mess, it sounds quite good, but this is not the ORIGINAL SCORE, this is a new mix from the original elements.... It's a bit different.
I would like to buy only original scores, not new mix from the original multi track elements.....


You have completely contradicted yourself. Reverb, by definition, is not "crisp."

I think the sound is fine; it's full and rich, but it's also quite detailed.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2012 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

1. It is the same score regardless of the mix or elements, if they all contain the same orchestral takes. If they are re-recorded, then you can speak of original score versus re-recording. The Cliffhanger release they did was also mixed down from different elements but it's the same music as on the previous album.

2. Yes, reverb and crisp are opposites, however I do interpret crisp as 'detailed', meaning you can hear the different instruments and it's 'clear'. No reverb makes it all sound very tight and I like some reverb to get it to become more open and spacious.

3. What is taking intrada so long on the new batch of predator?!? I'm dieing to get this score. What are your order numbers? wink

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2012 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

Sorry my English is not very good! ^__^;
What I'm trying to explain is that this cd sounds great, but it does not sound like the original mix ( I own the original recording session from years, it does not sound very good, but the balance and the volumes are the same You can hear in the movie).

This "new mix" presentation contains some volume mistakes (some intruments sounds too high volume, other too low); the sound is crisp, too crisp, more low frequences would be better (and more similar to the original mix), and in some tracks there's too much reverb.

The cd itself sounds great, but this new mix is too much different from the original.
Why do not use the original stereo mix owned by Disney or by Elmer Estate?....

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2012 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   eggerty31   (Member)


3. What is taking intrada so long on the new batch of predator?!? I'm dieing to get this score. What are your order numbers? wink


Also waiting for Predator to order alongside Black Cauldron. They have had delays at their plant pushing releases back so maybe Predator is caught up in that, or maybe, and probably more likely, Intrada are having new back covers printed so that they list the correct musicians.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2012 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Sorry my English is not very good! ^__^;
What I'm trying to explain is that this cd sounds great, but it does not sound like the original mix ( I own the original recording session from years, it does not sound very good, but the balance and the volumes are the same You can hear in the movie).

This "new mix" presentation contains some volume mistakes (some intruments sounds too high volume, other too low); the sound is crisp, too crisp, more low frequences would be better (and more similar to the original mix), and in some tracks there's too much reverb.

The cd itself sounds great, but this new mix is too much different from the original.
Why do not use the original stereo mix owned by Disney or by Elmer Estate?....


I think this album was a Disney/Intrada endeavor, so I would imagine that they used Disney's stereo mix. And it might have just come down to a creative choice by everyone involved to highlight certain aspects of the music in the mix.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2012 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

They have made this cd starting from the original multi tracks master tapes, making a new audio mixing. That's why this cd sounds different from the original score. This is not the original 1985 version mix.

It sounds very good, but it's a bit different from the original mix.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2012 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)


Why do not use the original stereo mix owned by Disney or by Elmer Estate?....


You are aware that this release is ALL Disney. The people at Disney (aka Randy Thornton) created the mix and mastered the album from elements they own from the score that they recorded.

All Intrada did was release it on CD.

Also, recording sessions AKA BOOTLEGs are exactly just that and should never be held as some sort of reference point as to how some album should sound.

And the "original mix"? I'm assuming it's what you heard in the film. In that case, film mixes are always different from the mix that is used for album purposes.

Other than that, there is no such thing as an "original mix." This premiere release is the original stereo mix.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2012 - 7:39 PM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

Glad I picked this up. I listened to it yesterday and (leave it to me to say this but...) I heard a lot of Ghostbusters in this score. smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2012 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Glad I picked this up. I listened to it yesterday and (leave it to me to say this but...) I heard a lot of Ghostbusters in this score. smile

Yup, I've had this on repeat for the last couple of hours and I think I have a new favorite Bernstein score!

I made an alternate cover with the poster art:

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2012 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

That would have been a great cover!!! The Intrada one is very ugly...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2012 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   Cammaié   (Member)

They have made this cd starting from the original multi tracks master tapes, making a new audio mixing. That's why this cd sounds different from the original score. This is not the original 1985 version mix.

It sounds very good, but it's a bit different from the original mix.


The “CD” is a dinosaur as support, it should have been trashed years ago: I should be able right now to play SACD/DVD-A in stereo or 5.1/7.1 multichannel; and (why not?) I should be able to mix the multi tracks elements in the way I want, too!

Sadly I cannot see a single progress: the future it’s not my time...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2012 - 6:28 AM   
 By:   Cammaié   (Member)

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 Posted:   Apr 28, 2012 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   eggerty31   (Member)

That would have been a great cover!!! The Intrada one is very ugly...

O I dunno, I rather like it. It's certainly nowhere near as bad as the Toy Story 3 cover.

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2012 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   tyuan   (Member)

Yeah, Toy 3 is the worst one....

 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2012 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I actually think the cover looks ok in person, but I'm not a fan of covers that don't showcase the movie's strengths and identity. I do think they have to cater to Disney's wishes so it is what it is.

Regarding the music, I really like what Intrada did with the program, they get a lot of flack for doing crossfades and edits but this CD flows great.

 
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