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What I find most amusing are the otherwise eloquent and intelligent FSMers' verbose TLJ analyses which fail to note the blatant social agenda now attached to this once-great film franchise.
P'raps not everyone agrees with the premise, and so nothing to say about it.
[Call this post "verbose" - I dare you!  ]
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Jan 28, 2018 - 10:05 PM
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Solium
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Why do people think this film is trying to incorporate some feminist agenda? If it was trying to somehow showcase that women can be the center of a Star Wars story, it didn't do a good job at it. I mean, look at this list.
Paige Tico = Dead
Tallissan Lintra = Dead
Holdo = Dead
Leia = Alive, but fans now want her dead because they think that somehow honors Carrie Fisher's passing.
Rose = Could still die from her injuries if Disney believes enough fans don't like her. Even Lucas toned down Jar Jar "the key to all of this" Binks in his prequel sequels.
Rey - One more movie and done. She said it herself. And it's not like it would make a different anyways since all the dudes writing and directing Star Wars are way more infatuated with telling Kylo's story than Reys. If the best that Rian Johnson could come up with for her character is literally nothing, what staying power could she possibly have? Speaking of...
Feminist agenda. Pfft.
They also killed Han, Luke, and Ackbar. So I don't what the death of these characters have to do with it. It's kinda weird the one actor who sadly passed away in real life, and actually died in the film comes back to life. I mean they had an out for a very awkward situation.
The fact the female characters are terribly written is a huge part of the problem. Simply put, Star Wars and Rogue One are girl centric. There all about girl power without putting any effort into it and besting men at everything. (Rey) Kylo is right out of the "Twilight handbook" for female loving villains. And it appears young girls love these films. Even the commercials for the films and Star Wars products are geared towards the young female demographic.
I wouldn't call it a feminist agenda from Disney, more a demographic agenda from Disney. I'm sure their plan was to get girls into Star Wars the cheapest way possibly without alienating the male demographic. And the girls are better than boys "feminist agenda" was the easiest way to accomplish that.
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Jan 29, 2018 - 8:05 AM
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Jeyl
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They also killed Han, Luke, and Ackbar. So I don't what the death of these characters have to do with it.
Han was killed because Harrison wanted out of this gig FAST. Luke can still come back in more ways than just being a force ghost since it's now been established that they can now physically interact with the living world. Even Alec Guiness who reportedly hated these movies still came back for the sequels.
And Ackbar? Yeah. That was a big disappointment. The story needed a decorated admiral to take over from Leia while she recovers and instead of using what they have, they go for an entirely new character instead. And Holdo's introduction is an annoying one since we're only told that she's done awesome things where compared to Ackbar, we've actually seen him do important things. It's almost like Star Wars wants to go back to alien characters being nothing more than mere set decorations instead of treating them as genuine characters who can carry scenes. Just watch how many shots in ROTJ feature close up shots of Ackbar and compare that to his three total close up shots in these last two new movies.
The fact the female characters are terribly written is a huge part of the problem. Simply put, Star Wars and Rogue One are girl centric. There all about girl power without putting any effort into it and besting men at everything.[/quote]
I wouldn't go that far. The problem I find is that these female leads are the ONLY female characters in these rag tag teams. Jyn Erso is the only female character in an ensemble of six characters and her entire arc is to do what her daddy tells her to do. With her very brief interactions with Leia, Rey has no other interactions with any other female characters in this new series. All of Disney's leading females are essentially isolated.
(Rey) Kylo is right out of the "Twilight handbook" for female loving villains.[/quote]
Key difference. Did Edward ever violate Bella against her will? Kylo Ren certainly did to Rey when he captured her in TFA. So when Rey tells Luke that the man who violated her is the galaxy's 'last hope', that was the moment I knew this series didn't really care for it's leading ladies. When you look at all the news involving all the horrendous things that men have been doing to women, how does that scene not come off as bad taste? While I'm sure many will point out that the scene was probably written and shot before the Weinstein debacle exploded, I would not have been comfortable leaving it as it was.
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