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 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

Ado, you are a voice of reason and good taste - which means you don't stand a chance...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Ado, you are a voice of reason and good taste - which means you don't stand a chance...

JohnnyG

Thanks very much for the compliment and truth telling.

I suspected as much about my chances.

I guess that is my lot in life.

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

Most people do not understand the impact of music compression, Jobs and Apple were, are, very successful at making the public thing that there is no difference between a compressed track and a CD or an LP, but there is a difference,. Unfortunately the generation we are talking about now are being raised to never know anything better.

There are a lot of people in the world who would not grasp a bit of what I just said, but this is a score lover forum, so I would hope someone gets this.


ado, I'd kill to have my old 100-watt Technics class A amplifier (with Dolby Surround!) back, with those old Realistic (from Radio Shack!) big-ass speakers equipped with the ferro-cooled tweeters and my old Sony ES CD player.

The day I sold that lot has turned out to be the saddest day of my life.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)



ado, I'd kill to have my old 100-watt Technics class A amplifier (with Dolby Surround!) back, with those old Realistic (from Radio Shack!) big-ass speakers equipped with the ferro-cooled tweeters and my old Sony ES CD player.

The day I sold that lot has turned out to be the saddest day of my life.


That sounds really great. Yes, Technics stuff was nice, I think I saw some with a really nice lighted display, just beautiful.

Yes, when I got a new AVR I could not bring myself to part from my old JVC gold-faced receiver. Outdated - yes - very. Really heavy - yes. But it is such a beautiful thing, and it still works fine, have it in the garage now.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

... with those old Realistic (from Radio Shack!) big-ass speakers.


Jackal, were they the Mach One?



Those were awesome-looking speakers. Well-rated too.
I wanted them, but couldn't quite afford them so I went with the Optimus 5-B's (which turned out to be excellent...
and long-lived.

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

... with those old Realistic (from Radio Shack!) big-ass speakers.


Jackal, were they the Mach One?



Those were awesome-looking speakers. Well-rated too.
I wanted them, but couldn't quite afford them so I went with the Optimus 5-B's (which turned out to be excellent...
and long-lived.


I have a different type - they come in walnut casing.
So nice they double as furniture and a cat seat!
brm

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Zambra Alex   (Member)

Have heard Ipods, have heard computer speakers.
They cannot even compare to my 30 plus year old house shaking stereo system. The clarity, broadness of sound....
But if you've not heard the sounds of old stereos you don't know what you miss.

When CD's came sounded bad compared to LP's; now we are used to CD's. But these screaming ants sounds from Ipods and PC 's....it's a ripoff and disservice to all musicians and we as consumers.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Have heard Ipods, have heard computer speakers.
They cannot even compare to my 30 plus year old house shaking stereo system. The clarity, broadness of sound....



Now THAT'S what I'm talking about.
Vast quantities of air moving. That's what a musical instrument does--that's how it oughtta be heard.
I don't speak for anyone but myself, but music on a good hi-fi is one of the things that makes life worth living.

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Have heard Ipods, have heard computer speakers.
They cannot even compare to my 30 plus year old house shaking stereo system. The clarity, broadness of sound....



Now THAT'S what I'm talking about.
Vast quantities of air moving. That's what a musical instrument does--that's how it oughtta be heard.
I don't speak for anyone but myself, but music on a good hi-fi is one of the things that makes life worth living.


I completely agree with this sentiment!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

... as long as my neighbors don't want to have me killed, of course!
big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   AndrewH   (Member)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSINO6MKtco

This sketch with Rowan Atkinson, Griff Rhys-Jones and the late great Mel Smith could be updated to reflect today's world.

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 4:51 PM   
 By:   Dyfrynt   (Member)


Well, you blame the one most successful at it. By the same method I blame McDonald's for making the public so comfortable with garbage for food, they are extremely successful at it. Have there been other sources of garbage fast food? Yes, lots, but none so massively successful at it.



Yeah I understand your point. You are still blaming the companies the most effectively give Americans what it is they want. If Americans didn't want this, these companies wouldn't be on top of the world.

Do you blame the drug traffickers who get the meds to people who will pay no matter what? Do you blame the child pornography photographers because they film video that thousands upon thousands of sick people will pay to watch?

If there was no market, there would be no one in that business. It is the individuals themselves who will pay for all of this stuff. They are the ones to blame.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 4:56 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Steve Jobs as a metaphor for a drug dealer?
Hmm.
That sounded pretty crazy at first, but now...

big grin







(Just joking SJ. Please don't haunt me!)

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Dyfrnt

Well, if it makes you feel better if I blame the consumer, sure - happy to do that as well.

Let's also not forget that the consumer also loves, well garbage. I think we are working against a presumption here that what is popularly successful is essentially sacrosanct and holy - because it has been commercially successful.

Personally I just do not buy into the successful = good assumption.

But using your comparison, the producer and distributor of porn, or drugs is much more punished under the law than the consumer.

So therefore, if Apple is the 'dealer'...

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2013 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

... with those old Realistic (from Radio Shack!) big-ass speakers.


Jackal, were they the Mach One?

Those were awesome-looking speakers. Well-rated too.
I wanted them, but couldn't quite afford them so I went with the Optimus 5-B's (which turned out to be excellent...
and long-lived.


Not the Mach One, but a successor that came out not long after, with a split-dome tweeter, huge woofer, and totally audible midrange.

I played the 1991 MCA soundtrack to SPARTACUS a million times on those speakers, and never tired of it. If I can think of the name of the speaker (other than REALISTIC) I'll post it.

This was a 1989 model. And could have been the latest update of the Mach One. The cabinet looks similar.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2013 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   Dyfrynt   (Member)

Personally I just do not buy into the successful = good assumption.

Nor do I. Never said anything was good about it. I just think you are putting the cart before the horse in your decision as to where the blame belongs. I've made my case as to why I believe it is the consumer that is the problem. So I'll leave it at that.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2013 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Dyfrynt

Alright then - understand

There is hope perhaps, because I have daughter that loves to buy CD's.

Imagine that!

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2013 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Although I have this terrific Klipsch 7.1 system, including a perfectly good center speaker, I just spent nearly $600 for a new one -- but successfully resisted the temptation for the one going for $1,400!!! And also resisted a subwoofer upgrade, mainly because, after reading comments from those who own it, it looked like it would be a lease breaker!

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2013 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

And ado, I had missed this 10-1-13 response of yours to me:

@ Ron

Oh I understand that it is very convenient. But convenient is not quality. Technology is also not quality. What I am working against here is the broad assumption that newer technology is an absolute good, and I know that this is a lost battle with most people, because most people think if they like something there is nothing lost or negative about that. There is a definite negative and loss about the good and success of the Apple product. There is a loss, in lots of ways.

It is surely nice you can access tracks on your iPod. But I wonder if the ease with which people access music deprecates the appreciation of music as an pure experience. What I am saying that it is the exact same convenience of this, that you can access 19000 tracks while you are on the train, riding your bike, doing your laundry, eating, mowing the lawn, that might well deprecate the direct and focused consumption of the music. In effect the impact of the Ipod is all music becomes underscore to everything in life. So while at the same time enabling access and making it easier to organize and all that, it also makes it easier to take for granted, and ironically make it a less important part of life, rather than a more important part of life.

It could be compared to a buffet, if you have a well prepared meal on a dinner table I think you might enjoy it more than an entire table with endless choices that you could eat as much as you want. Alas we are a consumption culture where more is better, instead of better is better as in quality is better. Quantity and choice are better, all the while our appetite for music (or other things) might well not be refined, or the product enjoyed more because of it.

Also, most people do not understand the impact of music compression, Jobs and Apple were, are, very successful at making the public thing that there is no difference between a compressed track and a CD or an LP, but there is a difference,. Unfortunately the generation we are talking about now are being raised to never know anything better.

There are a lot of people in the world who would not grasp a bit of what I just said, but this is a score lover forum, so I would hope someone gets this.


But for all those, like you, disparaging the sound quality of the MP3 player with its compression, I see many of them talking about buying $150 speakers. I don't think I've bought a $150 speaker in over 30 years. Did you ever get into DVD-Audio or dts or SACD discs, which are farrrrrrrrrrrrr more dynamic than mere CD? As I wrote above, I recently bought a new center speaker for my system at just under $600, which, of the 8 speakers in the 7.1 system, makes it one of the cheapest. I realize that some may spend as much for one of their speakers as I spent on all of mine, just as I may spend as much on one of mine as some spend on all of theirs, so it's all in the eye of the beholder, or, in this case, the ear of the beholder. When I'm on the go, taking long walks or trying to drown out people on their cellphones, I have no problem with MP3 compression, and sometimes even plug my iPod into my main receiver if I'm not going to do any critical listening. But other times I may use my secondary (Samsung) Blu-ray player, which, unlike my much newer primary, still plays SACD discs, many in surround. It's easy to knock Steve Jobs and the iPod, but don't blame him for the demise of record stores or CD, which was inevitable. And, believe me, I miss the hell out of going to Tower Records to roam those aisles with their musical treasures and speak to their always knowledgeable staff! At least here in Southern California we still have Amoeba Music on Sunset Boulevard, although I buy almost all of my movies and most of my music online. Technology marches on, which, I'll agree, is not always a good thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2013 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   blue15   (Member)

Have heard Ipods, have heard computer speakers.
They cannot even compare to my 30 plus year old house shaking stereo system. The clarity, broadness of sound....



Now THAT'S what I'm talking about.
Vast quantities of air moving. That's what a musical instrument does--that's how it oughtta be heard.
I don't speak for anyone but myself, but music on a good hi-fi is one of the things that makes life worth living.


I completely agree with this sentiment!


Me to!

 
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