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 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 6:54 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

I've resurrected this because I finally saw "Star Trek:Into Darkness" yesterday with Benjamin Cumberbatch as a young Richardo Montalban, and feel that it was poor casting -- does anyone believe that he'll grow up to have the charisma of Montalban as the same character in "Star Trek:The Wrath of Khan"? And while I don't blame Cumberbatch for the lack of fire in the newest "Star Trek," his chilly demeanor certainly doesn't help.

And, incidentally, to Jim Phelps, my own complaint about Cumberbatch has little to do with how handsome he is or isn't or, for that matter, about charisma. I wrote about him in this thread because (1) he simply doesn't strike me as the sexiest man alive and (2) I don't believe he could grow up to be the fierce Richardo Montalban in "Star Trek: The Wrath of Kahn." Even Stephen Van Dorn, who sings in most of those videos that sheetmusicman posted and which caused such a stir yesterday when I (temporarily) brought them to the top of the pile is FAR more sexy that Benedict Cumberbatch!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 7:44 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

TO ADO- I agree with your statement about how silly and immature the media and the public can be with these things. When I first saw this dude , I said he looks just like one of my cousins. But my cousin is better looking and my cousin is not that great a looker. A media that builds on the suckers in this world.

People complain about the way the media pushes cookie cutter good looks of so many pretty boys and girls but then the moment someone not conventionally handsome or beautiful comes to the fore, you all become jaded reactionaries. The staus quo thanks you.



I think that there are many examples of non conventionally attractive men and women. I would not say that there is anything particularly non-conventional or odd looking about Cumberbatch, merely that is not the most handsome looking, any more than the average guy in grocery store or on the city bus.

You are making an assumption about non-conventionally handsome without saying plainly with some harshness but truth - that the world is full of people that are just average, neither conventionally nor unconventionally handsome. Just because you are not fitting into the Brad Pitt George Clooney model of handsome male does not mean that you can reassure yourself that you are 'unconventionally handsome". That is certainly a sweet sounding lie that we would all like to tell ourselves.

I think that Cumberbatch is really average, he looks like a guy that might deliver the mail or be walking his dog in the park, he is neither ugly, nor handsome. You miss the point though that the media does push celebrityhood, you cannot merely be an actor, you have to be a sex symbol, and if you can be a pop star too, all the better, intriguing personal life - even better!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

TO ADO- I agree with your statement about how silly and immature the media and the public can be with these things. When I first saw this dude , I said he looks just like one of my cousins. But my cousin is better looking and my cousin is not that great a looker. A media that builds on the suckers in this world.

Funny Dan

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I've resurrected this because I finally saw "Star Trek:Into Darkness" yesterday with Benjamin Cumberbatch as a young Richardo Montalban, and feel that it was poor casting -- does anyone believe that he'll grow up to have the charisma of Montalban as the same character in "Star Trek:The Wrath of Khan"? And while I don't blame Cumberbatch for the lack of fire in the newest "Star Trek," his chilly demeanor certainly doesn't help.

Yeah, you are right there.

Pasty Khan is not so great. But he does have a good voice at least.


 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

There seems to be a lack of appreciation for Scarlett Johansson on this thread, you guys. She sure looks good to mewink

Even the readers of this periodical agree...


http://www.esquire.com/women/the-sexiest-woman-alive/sexiest-woman-alive?click=epic_15993979

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Lets just say he is sexy, even though he looks more like a pasty nerdy guy.

With those words you have described most everyone on the FSM board, give or take the odd hunky LeHah or two.


Why thank you. That's the second best compliment I got this month.

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Thomas: Re: "There seems to be a lack of appreciation for Scarlett Johansson on this thread..."

I just LOVE Scarlett Johansson, and it has nothing to do with physical attraction. At times she seems to have an almost Meryl Streep ability to disappear in her roles -- she's just the opposite of the sort of look-at-me-I'm-so-and-so "movie stars" who undeservedly get too many of the juiciest roles. There are times that it takes me a while to even realize who I'm watching. Just love her.

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   Mark R. Y.   (Member)

I think we have a winner for sexiest, most beautiful actress in Amanda Righetti. Wow!

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=slv8-hptb5&sz=all&va=amanda+righetti

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 4:16 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

People complain about the way the media pushes cookie cutter good looks of so many pretty boys and girls but then the moment someone not conventionally handsome or beautiful comes to the fore, you all become jaded reactionaries. The staus quo thanks you.

I think that there are many examples of non conventionally attractive men and women. I would not say that there is anything particularly non-conventional or odd looking about Cumberbatch, merely that is not the most handsome looking, any more than the average guy in grocery store or on the city bus.

You are making an assumption about non-conventionally handsome without saying plainly with some harshness but truth - that the world is full of people that are just average, neither conventionally nor unconventionally handsome. Just because you are not fitting into the Brad Pitt George Clooney model of handsome male does not mean that you can reassure yourself that you are 'unconventionally handsome". That is certainly a sweet sounding lie that we would all like to tell ourselves.

I think that Cumberbatch is really average, he looks like a guy that might deliver the mail or be walking his dog in the park, he is neither ugly, nor handsome. You miss the point though that the media does push celebrityhood, you cannot merely be an actor, you have to be a sex symbol, and if you can be a pop star too, all the better, intriguing personal life - even better!


Let's just say that we disagree on who is considered attractive--probably unconventionally and otherwise. smile You also extrapolated what I define as unconventionally attractive by using your opinion of Cumberbatch's looks and perhaps anyone else I might consider in that category by calling it a "sweet sounding lie" in order to make a broader statement, to say nothing of putting words in my mouth regarding my "assumption" about those who aren't "universally" attractive.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 4:23 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Thomas: Re: "There seems to be a lack of appreciation for Scarlett Johansson on this thread..."

I just LOVE Scarlett Johansson, and it has nothing to do with physical attraction. At times she seems to have an almost Meryl Streep ability to disappear in her roles -- she's just the opposite of the sort of look-at-me-I'm-so-and-so "movie stars" who undeservedly get too many of the juiciest roles. There are times that it takes me a while to even realize who I'm watching. Just love her.


My favorite Scarlett Johansson role is SCOOP. I love how she isn't "glammed up." If I were as outgoing and hunkalicious as the rest of my fellow FSM Board posters, her incarnation in that film would have been the kind of girl I would have loved to have had for a girlfriend.



 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 4:40 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

There is a recent effort to make "nerd" sexy which is really odd. I think that Benedict might be supernerd.

I suppose it is a culture rebellion against a long time of football dude and sally cheerleader being granted 'most beautiful' badge. But I really weary of people getting glasses that they do not need, or large black frames to make themselves look more intellectual. They are doing this in the picture of Scarlett here, when she clearly does not need it.

or Tom Brady

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Thomas: Re: "There seems to be a lack of appreciation for Scarlett Johansson on this thread..."

Well, that's to be expected in a thread not actually about the lovely Scarlett.

Can I just say here that I hate how some outlets call Mr. Cumberbatch's female fans "Cumberbitches"?

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Can I just say here that I hate how some outlets call Mr. Cumberbatch's female fans "Cumberbitches"?

That odious term appears to be on the decline, thankfully. BC himself recommended "Cumbercookies" or some such lighthearted alternative.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

But I really weary of people getting glasses that they do not need, or large black frames to make themselves look more intellectual.

I entirely agree with this - and thats coming from a guy who *loves* a woman in glasses.

Then again, I think my first crush was either Annie Potts in Ghostbusters or the female cybernetics doctor in the original Robocop so... I may be biased.

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I rather they look smart or nerdy over biker gang cool. So thumbs up for the trend.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2013 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

But I really weary of people getting glasses that they do not need, or large black frames to make themselves look more intellectual.


But then we would be robbed of one of the funniest movie cliches: the climactic shot when they dramatically flip their hair and whip their glasses off to reveal how gorgeous they always were all along!

 
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