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 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

But then there's guy who pretty much blames the score for why he believes the film isn't all that good.

http://flavorwire.com/437299/how-monuments-men-went-horribly-wrong/


Sigh, another reason not to trust the critics. The same type of complaints they made when War Horse was released. Clearly this guy likes his Desplat scores dark and moody not lyrical and orchestral.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

But then there's guy who pretty much blames the score for why he believes the film isn't all that good.

http://flavorwire.com/437299/how-monuments-men-went-horribly-wrong/


Makes me want to see the film even more.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

There are quite a few reviews on the Internet for this movie. Most find the movie just average. I've read several that said the music was fine. One review found that the music reminded him of The Great Escape. Another complained a bit about some of the music but said that overall, the score was "beautiful."

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

I just hope, whether the film is successful or not, Desplat continues to work with Clooney and be allowed to write such great music as he did for Monuments Men.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   yonythemoony   (Member)

A friend saw the film and said that he liked Desplat's score and his performance (he has a couple of scenes with Matt Damon).

No wonder the score is getting some bashing. After the hate on Philomena and getting nominated for an Oscar, looks like some critics might started to turn against Desplat. Same reason of why the film is getting bad reviews, Clooney wanted a truly old fashioned film and score.

At least The Grand Budapest Hotel is getting great reviews with some of them praising Desplat's score.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2014 - 10:38 PM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

But then there's guy who pretty much blames the score for why he believes the film isn't all that good.

http://flavorwire.com/437299/how-monuments-men-went-horribly-wrong/


Sad how he disqualifies himself with these remarks.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

I've just listened to that 10 minute suite above and I think something has gone wrong here.
That CANNOT be from a Hollywood film released in 2014!!!
NO
WAY!
(I think somebody at youtube has linked a film score from around 1892 by mistake and attached it to that Monuments Men poster. I'm sure youtube will fix their mistake soon) wink

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

I played it once and I'm whistling the Main Theme already!!! WTF!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   Dylan S   (Member)

I dare say this is my favorite Desplat score. It's nice and big, and reminds me of Goodwin, Goldsmith, Williams, even Waxman. It's really, really great to hear a war score for a contemporary Hollywood film that doesn't sound like Hans Zimmer (I don't mean that as a knock to Zimmer, but the approach he takes has more or less become the norm for war films, and it's great to hear another, more vintage-inspired approach).

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 7:45 PM   
 By:   The REAL BJBien   (Member)

I've just listened to that 10 minute suite above and I think something has gone wrong here.
That CANNOT be from a Hollywood film released in 2014!!!
NO
WAY!
(I think somebody at youtube has linked a film score from around 1892 by mistake and attached it to that Monuments Men poster. I'm sure youtube will fix their mistake soon) wink


If Clooney wanted to make an old fashion filmed, he SERIOUSLY failed because this film is a jarring mess. Half of it takes itself very seriously and the story certainly could be a very dramatic and powerful film a la THE KING'S SPEECH but it never really reaches to thanks to a weak plot and the constant insertion of humor which while I have nothing against laughs, they are so out of place and as for the score... it's horrible in use in the film and feels like it's temp track from an animated film or as other's have noted, a 1960s film and mind you this could have worked if the directing, writing, and acting had not all been so modern.

I loved Desplat's work on COCO BEFORE CHANEL, BENJAMIN BUTTON, and PAINTED VIEL to name a few and the man does lush and gorgeous work but here he's score a throwback for a film that takes itself too seriously.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2014 - 8:25 PM   
 By:   yonythemoony   (Member)

Now I'm wondering how different the score and film would have been if it wasn't for the delay. Because if Clooney wanted to delay the film so the CGI and the score won't felt rushed and cheesy, it could've been much more worst.


The irony is that Desplat proofs that he can write huge orchestral scores, but his scores get stuck in the dark.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2014 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   yonythemoony   (Member)

https://soundcloud.com/tgreiving/alexandre-desplat-monuments-men

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2014 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

I can't stop playing that 10 minute suite. It's the best new film music I've heard in ages.
I'd gone a bit cool on Desplat after his tepid Harry Potter scores but this score seems to be
the wake-up call I needed from him.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2014 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

I can't stop playing that 10 minute suite. It's the best new film music I've heard in ages.
I'd gone a bit cool on Desplat after his tepid Harry Potter scores but this score seems to be
the wake-up call I needed from him.


Well if Desplat had been given the freedom on Potter that he was given on MONUMENTS MEN, it would have been a completely different score (I'm still a fan of the the Potter scores).

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2014 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

I can't stop playing that 10 minute suite. It's the best new film music I've heard in ages.
I'd gone a bit cool on Desplat after his tepid Harry Potter scores but this score seems to be
the wake-up call I needed from him.


Well if Desplat had been given the freedom on Potter that he was given on MONUMENTS MEN, it would have been a completely different score (I'm still a fan of the the Potter scores).


I think if he'd been given 5 and 6 to work on those would have been very different, rousing scores. As it was, his work on part I was mindblowingly subtle and brooding with the Sky Battle giving anything by Williams a run for his money in terms of action music, and there's a lot to like in part II (although I personally think pt I was the stronger score). But I don't know if it was management holding him back so much the nature of the films themselves. Hard to score teen angst with music like you find in Monuments Men =P

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2014 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

I can't stop playing that 10 minute suite. It's the best new film music I've heard in ages.
I'd gone a bit cool on Desplat after his tepid Harry Potter scores but this score seems to be
the wake-up call I needed from him.


Well if Desplat had been given the freedom on Potter that he was given on MONUMENTS MEN, it would have been a completely different score (I'm still a fan of the the Potter scores).


I think if he'd been given 5 and 6 to work on those would have been very different, rousing scores. As it was, his work on part I was mindblowingly subtle and brooding with the Sky Battle giving anything by Williams a run for his money in terms of action music, and there's a lot to like in part II (although I personally think pt I was the stronger score). But I don't know if it was management holding him back so much the nature of the films themselves. Hard to score teen angst with music like you find in Monuments Men =P


Apparently last two Potter films were temped with the THE DARK KNIGHT and 28 DAYS LATER.

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=24124&page=1&#entry980171

Not a lot to work with there.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2014 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   yonythemoony   (Member)

The music for The Monuments Men wouldn't have worked at all in the last two HP films. That only proofs how these people think that Harry Potter was a generic american fantasy franchise and that needed an equally generic and american score (like the first two scores). Desplat had some cues with a little comic side (Polyjuice Potion, Dobby, Detonators, the second half of Fireplaces Escape) and some of the trademark instruments of the scores (celesta, recorder, glockespiel), but these we're subdued, given the nature of the story of the book. The last two films we're dark and emotional, and not childish like the first four films. Even the tracked cues from Chamber Of Secrets we're out of place in HP8 because it robbed the opportunity to let Desplat to score these scenes first, instead of giving to fanservice to these people who only care about Williams.

Try to have a scene like Courtyard Apocalypse or the final fight between Harry and Voldemort scored by a bombastic, over the top orchestra instead of the emotional and cathartic cues that Desplat brought and made people to realize that it was business.

Desplat even channeled some of the action and suspense material from Williams's Minority Report (the screeching woodwinds on Underworld reminds of Anderton's Great Escape) and War of the Worlds (Bathilda Baghsot and Destroying The Locket has the ugly muted brass for the Tripods). So that kind of score would have got even if Williams would have done these.

But I do think that it would have been better for Desplat if he did HP5 and 6. He redefined in Deathly Hallows the musical landscape of the franchise, supporting new types of instruments, colours and themes that didn't get to have a lot of use because part 1 was mostly, Harry, Ron and Hermione in the run, and part 2 was a war film. The two previous films had a lot of new characters, revelations that changed the story of the franchise and foreboding the last films.

If anything, some parts of Rise of the Guardians would have fitted on the first HP films. The score was quirky and fun, but it was also emotional, complex, and inventive. And most of all, Desplat already being a fan of both the books, the films and the scores (unlike Doyle and Williams) would have understood better the story of the first books and films than Williams (though given how inspired and fresh POA was for the franchise, it could have been Columbus's fault after all). Also, the people of Jwfan only hated the scores because it wasn't Williams who wrote them, otherwise they would have loved it.

And also, don't blame on temp track. Desplat's scores sound nothing like TDK or 28 Days Later. Order of the Phoenix and Half Blood Prince we're tracked with Williams music from POA and that didn't affected Hooper's scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2014 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Luc Van der Eeken   (Member)

What can I say...this is a magnificent score. I've been playing this non stop since tuesday and it just keeps getting better. I think it has at least four (!) themes and Desplat varies them beautifully. Contrary to 'Jack Ryan', one HEARS the LSO and the score just puts you in a good mood. A serious contender for best score of the year and there's a lot more Desplat to come.
4,5/5

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2014 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

Wow! This sounds like something John Williams would have written in the mid 80s. It's hugely thematic, really present in the film with big swelling strings and crashing brass. It's not the musical wallpaper most scores have become. So glad Clooney allowed Desplat to write something without restrictions. It's stunning.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2014 - 3:46 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

yonythemoony - I completely agree with you. This sort of score wouldn't have worked with the last two Harry Potter films. This is why in order to get more scores like this we have to also get directors to make more films in this style. Sadly, with even half of the critics calling this slow and plodding, similar to something from The History Channel, I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon.

I just got to see the film today though and I was totally blown away by how the score was used in the film. It was so much better than anything that I have heard in recent years. Like others have said, so many different themes and even the main theme used in different styles throughout. Totally loved it.

 
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