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 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 5:27 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

One of the things I love about TLW was, while a love the first film, is that it gave us something different instead of a retread like with the 3rd. And a poor retread at that. Also, I think the effects in the 3rd were a huge step down. The brachiosaurs and the animatronic spino looked terrible! What happened?

JP2 gave us something different? Another T-rex, no two T-rex's cause if you have one in the first film you gotta have two in the second film. Then a Raptor, wait two Raptor's, no wait, a whole slew of Raptor's. You can never have enough Raptor's. They should have called the second film, "Revenge of the Raptors." Best crazy moment in JP3, a talking Raptor! big grin

Also disagree on JP3 effects. There were some stunning CGI. A lot of the Spino was done on set with a robotic dino. Maybe that's why you thought he looked fake.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

While we are on the JURASSIC PARK trilogy, does anyone here have the 3D JURASSIC PARK Blu-ray? It's fantastic! The depth is incredible, maybe the best I've ever seen. But has anyone noticed that the picture is dark with kind of an orange tint to it?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 6:03 PM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

Can't all us JURASSIC PARK fans get along?smileI admit I'm not innocent here. I don't like people criticizing TLW, so I shouldn't do the same with JP3. People are free to like whatever film they want and it doesn't make it wrong. We could continue to argue back and forth, it won't change anyones mind or accomplish anything. Might as well just enjoy the films.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

JP2 gave us something different? Another T-rex, no two T-rex's cause if you have one in the first film you gotta have two in the second film. Then a Raptor, wait two Raptor's, no wait, a whole slew of Raptor's. You can never have enough Raptor's. They should have called the second film, "Revenge of the Raptors." Best crazy moment in JP3, a talking Raptor! big grin

As a note, the only attempt there has been to deliver something different with the Jurassic Park formula is John Sayles' un-produced script for a fourth JP film which features intelligent velociraptor commandoes undergoing regimented training in the Swiss alps. Talk about crazy moments! I'd love to get a hold of that script.

Also disagree on JP3 effects. There were some stunning CGI. A lot of the Spino was done on set with a robotic dino. Maybe that's why you thought he looked fake.

Here, here! The raptors also looked gorgeous in JPIII, and I adore the pterodactyls who are underrepresented in the previous films and now get some great showtime during the third outing.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2013 - 9:21 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Can't all us JURASSIC PARK fans get along?smileI admit I'm not innocent here. I don't like people criticizing TLW, so I shouldn't do the same with JP3. People are free to like whatever film they want and it doesn't make it wrong. We could continue to argue back and forth, it won't change anyones mind or accomplish anything. Might as well just enjoy the films.

Sorry, didn't mean to keep harping on the second film. frown
I will make it up by saying the one really cool shot in the second film was when the T-Rex smashed into the side of the bus. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 1:36 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Also, people complain about Goldblum being annoying in the second, but Tea Leoni's character in the third was the most annoying character in recent years!

I didn't think Goldblum was annoying in part 2 (though his daughter and Julianne Moore were), but Ian Malcolm behaved in completely non-Ian Malcolm behaviors throughout the film. That was not the Malcolm from the first film or book. It was a poor caricature of an un-reluctant hero.


Hmmm...I saw it very differently. He was quite skeptical in the first film, but now -- a few years later -- he's even more reluctant and skeptical. Which is natural, given his experience. Yet he still rises to the occasion when he needs to and when the circumstances are what they are. I felt Goldblum preserved the basic Malcolm elements while exploring and developping the character further. I just loved it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 2:01 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

People complain about the t-rex sneaking up without impact tremors in the first two films, but the spino did the same in the third. You couldn't hear the impact tremors but you could hear a phone ring inside the spino?

This is clearly one of those William Shatner-patented "Get a life!" moments.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

So much negativity!

I adore the first film -- one of two candidates to my alltime favourite film, and I've seen it at least 30 times -- and am also totally in love with the other two. I just love the JP universe from end to end. I could stay there forever.

So I obviously don't agree with the review, nor most of the comments in this thread, but anyone's free to their opinion.

JURASSIC PARK 4-EVER!


You've got a great outlook and attitude towards the series! You're probably right, and you're a better man than me good sir!smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Also disagree on JP3 effects. There were some stunning CGI. A lot of the Spino was done on set with a robotic dino. Maybe that's why you thought he looked fake.


With all due respect to the people who think the animatronic Spino looked bad, it looked no less fake than the animatronics in 1 and 2.
Particularly the Tricer in #1, and the baby Rex in #2. They were not very good at all.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I am actually appalled that people enjoy The Lost World. Outside of three terrific set pieces (the InGen mercenary dinosaur hunt, the T-Rexes and the caravan, and the raptors snatching the survivors in the long grass) it is one of the worst big budget movies I've had the displeasure of sitting though (most recently that honor has gone to Elysium, so fret not Spielberg-baters).

The Lost World is such a complete miscalculation and aberration of the joy that made the first film work, the character of Ian Malcolm (who is now unexpectedly a stupid action hero), and also Crichton's magnificent character work that Spielberg and screenwriter David Koepp adapted for Jurassic Park. Pete Postlewaithe's Roland Tembo is a brilliant character in this film, and should've shared the spotlight alongside Jeff Goldblum but instead he is shafted and the actor's awesome performance is relegated to second fiddle so that the storytellers can make space for Malcolm's black daughter (portrayed by an actress who is not even slightly of mixed race), Julianne Moore's shrieking paleontologist, and Richard Schiff's unfortunate bumbling engineer. Vince Vaughn does good work here, and I actually miss this supporting player version of the actor. There's a nice subplot in Crichton's The Lost World book about rival corporation BioSyn's corporate espionage to theft dinosaur eggs which plays into a subplot from the first book and film. Sadly, The Lost World film is such a hack-job that a compelling case for drama was lost upon the returning screenwriter and director. (Actually, was there a script for this film?)

The less said about the climax in San Diego, the better.

Unsurprisingly, those who stick up to defend The Lost World's bloat also decry Jurassic Park III (a film which notoriously didn't have an unfinished script by the time principal photography began). Outside of an unsatisfying (and obviously hastily-written) finale, JPIII is a dynamite adventure film with amazing effects, terrifying dinosaur action, and the return of the beloved character Dr. Alan Grant. I can highly recommend this one as a satisfying continuation of the world of Jurassic Park.

Now please, take us back to the thriving post-park island of Isla Nublar!


THIS. well said nuts. smile

Regarding the dino fights, I will say that Peter Jackson's King Kong to me easily blew all of the previous JP movies out of the water. That island with them freaky big spiders and bugs and dinosaurs makes Isla Nublar seem like paradise wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Also disagree on JP3 effects. There were some stunning CGI. A lot of the Spino was done on set with a robotic dino. Maybe that's why you thought he looked fake.


With all due respect to the people who think the animatronic Spino looked bad, it looked no less fake than the animatronics in 1 and 2.
Particularly the Tricer in #1, and the baby Rex in #2. They were not very good at all.


I think the problem with the Spino animatronic was not the sculpt or mechanics themselves, but the inherit problem of the dinosaurs perceived appearance. It's never good to have a long nose or snout on a character. A face, be it human or monster shows a lot more expression when the facial features are closer together. (Eyes, nose, and mouth) The Spino's long snout gave it more of a stale "dummy" look. Same thing plagued the character designs in the animated film, Prince Of Egypt. Side note, I actually thought the Trike was amazing in JP1.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2013 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Side note, I actually thought the Trike was amazing in JP1.


To be fair, maybe I need to watch them again with a more sympathetic eye. Perhaps the dino-geek in me was a little too critical.

I've been spoiled by Vermithrax!

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

said this before....
JP4 should be done like the BBC/ Nature series on dinosaurs - a make believe nature documentary
brm

 
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