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 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

Oh, I am really, really, really, really sure that A Little Romance did not deserve to win over TMP. It had more to do with what the A list in that day wanted playing in the background of the cocktail party than anything relating to the artistic merit of the score.

That comment is really, REALLY stupid.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 8:42 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Oh, I am really, really, really, really sure that A Little Romance did not deserve to win over TMP. It had more to do with what the A list in that day wanted playing in the background of the cocktail party than anything relating to the artistic merit of the score.

That comment is really, REALLY stupid.


That is what I love about the FSM board community, we can always find someone ready to toss out a personal insult and attack, and an attack that usually does make any sense, based on nothing and that explains nothing. There are many names for you sir, but I will not lower myself to your level.

Blocklist

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)



Heh heh - nice satire. Personally, I think Giacchino's theme hits the mark better than STTMP, conjuring up the tension and anticipation of venturing into the unknown to discover who knows what, rather than a bombastic march that says little about the unknown but plenty about photon torpedoes. The two main themes, main title and Klingon, are well-enough crafted, but to me they illustrate what's on the screen rather than what's behind it. There - I've said it.

TG


I always say that everyone has an opinion and that opinion has validity... somehow. But here's a case where I'll have to say "Dude... you just got it ALL wrong." There - I've said it.



Mr Nelson, the fact that you address me as "Dude" is enough in itself to persuade me that I needn't worry about our opinions diverging.

wink


If I say then, "distinguished sir" would it make a difference?




Absolutely - I'd have probably changed my opinion completely. But the opportunity has gone frown

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

Meathook, there's at least one person at this forum who you can count on to criticize John Williams' contribution to film music, and he's I. (Accordingly, the idea that Williams should have won almost every Score Oscar between 1975 and 1983 is as absurd to me as the fact that Menken did win all the Oscars he did.)

Meanwhile, there are several at the forum who you can count on to do the same thing to Jerry Goldsmith's contribution to film music. Tall Guy is one of those.

Right or wrong, reasonable or not, it is what it is.

Dan

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I think a greater Academy disappointment was TSP rather than TMP.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

I think a greater Academy disappointment was TSP rather than TMP.

The Sand Pebbles?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I think a greater Academy disappointment was TSP rather than TMP.

The Sand Pebbles?


I was looking for a film called TriSodiumPhosphate

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Easy

TMP

The only reason it lost was because Bruce Kimmel was shilling copies of A Little Romance all over town that year, giving copies away to pimp the picture and the score. At least that is what I heard.


Solium is correct though, that the Oscars have gradually proven themselves almost irrelevant, except for the person that puts that thing on the mantel at home. Tons of Oscars have been given to people in all categories that did not deserve it. Best Film each year is rarely the best film, same for score, performance - on and on.

Fortunately winning an Oscar has also proven to have little or no positive impact on the career of these people. There are as many cases of people getting the award and dropping of the map as people doing well.


Well, that's an obnoxious way to put it. It was an album I brought to Varese and it was my suggestion to send copies to the music branch of the Academy (at a time that wasn't being done that much) and then, after it was nominated, to the regular members. Varese did the sending and it had nothing to do with the picture and everything to do with the score. It worked, by the way, so there's that.


And I thought all these years the Academy members actually liked A Little Romance better! What do I know!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   Rnelson   (Member)



Heh heh - nice satire. Personally, I think Giacchino's theme hits the mark better than STTMP, conjuring up the tension and anticipation of venturing into the unknown to discover who knows what, rather than a bombastic march that says little about the unknown but plenty about photon torpedoes. The two main themes, main title and Klingon, are well-enough crafted, but to me they illustrate what's on the screen rather than what's behind it. There - I've said it.

TG


I always say that everyone has an opinion and that opinion has validity... somehow. But here's a case where I'll have to say "Dude... you just got it ALL wrong." There - I've said it.



Mr Nelson, the fact that you address me as "Dude" is enough in itself to persuade me that I needn't worry about our opinions diverging.

wink


If I say then, "distinguished sir" would it make a difference?[/endquote


Absolutely - I'd have probably changed my opinion completely. But the opportunity has gone frown


I'll have to remember that the next time I want you to change your mind completely.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Apollo 13
Mulan

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 2:34 PM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

So does anyone think 1981 and 1982's winners should trade their years?

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

So does anyone think 1981 and 1982's winners should trade their years?


No, we think John Williams should have won back to back! smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 3:51 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)

My ultimate (if not vengeful) dream is to wield enough power and prestige to have these two non-original scores disqualified !

What in the world are you taking about? Delerue's score is very original.

The only Vivaldi in the score, which is credited, is the opening of the second movement of the guitar concerto.

That's it!


I just saw A LITTLE ROMANCE for the first time, after all these years. Wonderful, marvelous film, lovely performances and brilliant script. The Delerue score is charming and appropriate. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems sparsely scored (certainly nothing wrong with that) and so the Vivaldi did seem to predominate.

It's fine for what is is, but as someone else said here, the Oscar snub of Goldsmith's epic and imaginative score made me realize the Oscars are an irrelevant waste of time.

Looking back to that year, it seemed to me likely that, since TMP was viewed as something of a disappointment, after all that hype leading up to its release there was a critical backlash against the film and so the Academy, to demonstrate its alleged sophistication and taste, snubbed TMP and Goldsmith in favor of a small, 'arty' film score.

With all due respect to Delerue's perfectly fine effort, a travesty.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 4:31 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Re: "Looking back to that year, it seemed to me likely that, since TMP was viewed as something of a disappointment, after all that hype leading up to its release there was a critical backlash against the film and so the Academy, to demonstrate its alleged sophistication and taste, snubbed TMP and Goldsmith in favor of a small, 'arty' film score."

I've always strongly disagreed that the word "snub" is appropriate when one particular artist either isn't nominated or didn't win, because I think it's rare that voters consciously go out of their way to "snub" someone. Voters vote for someone to win, not for someone to lose, and thus "snub" them. A lot of the time the one not nominated or winning may have been many voters' second choice, or too many voters may have assumed that that person was sure to be nominated or win anyway, and assumed wrongly that he or she didn't need their votes. And they can be just as shocked when the results are later announced and may slap their foreheads for not voting for them. I see this all the time in TV talent contests, where the act that seemed to impress everyone may slip between the cracks because of wrong assumptions.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 5:37 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

I think a greater Academy disappointment was TSP rather than TMP.

The Sand Pebbles?


I was looking for a film called TriSodiumPhosphate


Funniest post so far. One point to you. smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 6:06 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)



I've always strongly disagreed that the word "snub" is appropriate when one particular artist either isn't nominated or didn't win, because I think it's rare that voters consciously go out of their way to "snub" someone. Voters vote for someone to win, not for someone to lose, and thus "snub" them. A lot of the time the one not nominated or winning may have been many voters' second choice, or too many voters may have assumed that that person was sure to be nominated or win anyway, and assumed wrongly that he or she didn't need their votes. And they can be just as shocked when the results are later announced and may slap their foreheads for not voting for them. I see this all the time in TV talent contests, where the act that seemed to impress everyone may slip between the cracks because of wrong assumptions.


Hmmm, well, another, more recent and famous case, that of CRASH winning over BROKEBACK MTN for Best Picture, widely regarded as a snub....

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 6:15 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I think a greater Academy disappointment was TSP rather than TMP.

The Sand Pebbles?


I was looking for a film called TriSodiumPhosphate


Funniest post so far. One point to you. smile


Thanks smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 5:03 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Meathook, there's at least one person at this forum who you can count on to criticize John Williams' contribution to film music, and he's I. (Accordingly, the idea that Williams should have won almost every Score Oscar between 1975 and 1983 is as absurd to me as the fact that Menken did win all the Oscars he did.)

Meanwhile, there are several at the forum who you can count on to do the same thing to Jerry Goldsmith's contribution to film music. Tall Guy is one of those.

Right or wrong, reasonable or not, it is what it is.

Dan



How dare you! big grin

I'm expressing sincerely-held views and at the same time challenging hyperbole by occasionally employing a little fun-pokery. So sue me!

TG


ps - two more surprising facts: there are many Goldsmith fans for whom I have nothing but fond thoughts and goodwill, and I have more JG scores in my collection than JW scores.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2013 - 5:22 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

ps - two more surprising facts: there are many Goldsmith fans for whom I have nothing but fond thoughts and goodwill, and I have more JG scores in my collection than JW scores.

HOW CAN YOU HATE JOHN WILLIAMS?!?!?

big grin

 
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