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 Posted:   Oct 8, 2013 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Perhaps we should get in touch with Eric Tomlinson who recorded and engineered the score recordings.

Hard to imagine that stone has been left unturned.

 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2013 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   Saul Pincus   (Member)

It's worth noting that Dracula was a Universal picture, and most likely had elements that were destroyed in Universal's vault fire several years ago. Certainly key elements of other well-known titles were lost.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2013 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Perhaps we should get in touch with Eric Tomlinson who recorded and engineered the score recordings.

Hard to imagine that stone has been left unturned.


If the masters were not saved before Anvil (where Dracula was recorded) was demolished it’s too late now. Some years ago James Fitzpatrick said he managed to retrieve tapes which Eric Tomlinson had stored in his garage before Anvil closed but all he had was THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2013 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

That's a shame about the original masters, maybe someone could re-releases the album with a bit of remastering.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2013 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   jwb   (Member)

Perhaps we should get in touch with Eric Tomlinson who recorded and engineered the score recordings.

Hard to imagine that stone has been left unturned.


Sometimes the simplest solution isn't the first tried.

I think to Mancini's Santa Claus which was released complete as a 3 disc set by Quartet. Intrada said they looked wide for the elements yet they were sitting perfectly at Abbey Road where it was recorded. You would have thought that would have been the first place to look, but apparently it wasn't for them.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 8, 2013 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Mike_H   (Member)

It's worth noting that Dracula was a Universal picture, and most likely had elements that were destroyed in Universal's vault fire several years ago. Certainly key elements of other well-known titles were lost.


Oh geez. I forgot about that. Does that mean my hopes for a complete AIRPORT series box set are doomed?

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   The Beach Bum   (Member)

Yes, it was a rerecording (as far as I know).

Actually, I don't think so. I could be wrong, but I've been enjoying this score since way back in the LP days, and to my ears it's the original film tracks, truncated and reassembled. Ford might know. Ford?


I think it is a partial rerecording, like E.T., rather than a complete do-over like Jaws. The LSO recorded both the film and the album sessions (they are credited at the end of the movie). The main title has a completely different resolution on the album, and "To Scarborough" has some striking organ chords in the film not heard on the album so there was clearly some rerecording done. But the other cues sound like the same recording.

I'm inclined to doubt the Dracula album was recorded at the same time as Superman and The Fury, as those were 1978 releases and Dracula a Summer 1979 release.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

It's worth noting that Dracula was a Universal picture, and most likely had elements that were destroyed in Universal's vault fire several years ago. Certainly key elements of other well-known titles were lost.

I never did see a list of titles and/or possible titles lost in that fire. Last I recall hearing is that it was in a certain area and not a lot was lost.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   moviescore1   (Member)

I'd take a remaster of the LP!

-Erik-


Me too! A remaster of the LP would do wonders for this score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 2:42 AM   
 By:   eggerty31   (Member)

Finally managed to listen to the Varese CD over the weekend, my first listen to this score. Oh my what a score this is. Williams was firing on all cylinders for this. A shame the CD sounds a bit muddy, I don't know if anything could be done to clear it up.

It's a great shame if the original recordings are destroyed but I would snap up any re-release of this score whether it is an expansion/straight re-release/re-recording.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

I'd take a remaster of the LP!

-Erik-


Me too! A remaster of the LP would do wonders for this score.




Remaster would be only ok until someone funds the re-recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

I'd take a remaster of the LP!

-Erik-


Me too! A remaster of the LP would do wonders for this score.


Remaster would be only ok until someone funds the re-recording.


A re-recording would be a very, very tough sell with anyone but Williams conducting. But boy, just imagine if he did, with LSO once again performing these many years later. Fireworks, indeed. It's only a dream but this would be the recording of the decade for me.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Well, it wouldn't have to be Williams himself since he has other things to do and LSO would make it pretty expensive, but with current quality of re-recordings done in Prague, Bratislava and Moscow I can't see a reason why this couldn't be recorded in any of those cities if engineers, music producers and conductors are any of our usual beloved teams responsible for recent Tadlow/Prometheus, Intrada and TFC re-recordings. I am sure they would do a fantastic job on such a brilliant score as Dracula.
That previous poor selection available on the LP hardly does the score justice and omits several of the major pieces and important parts of the score.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

This is a case where I really don't think you can argue that the original album suffices for this score. I just rewatched the movie recently (shown in Badham's preferred, but truly frustrating, color-leeched version). It's a pretty uninvolving film although there are a few good moments and Langella as always is wonderful. But Williams' score is even better than I remembered--it's a full, lush, epic work, far more than the handful of highlights the LP suggested. There are whole themes (such as the four-note motif that plays while the horse is stomping on Mina's grave) that are barely suggested on the album but are given full development in the score. Dracula and Jane Eyre would make two great companion pieces and both are tragically "lost" full scores, at least presently.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Aha. Confirmation that the sessions cannot be found, then. Very sad.

Hopefully the sheet music survives, and Mr. Fitzpatrick and the Prague orchestra can re-record it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   oyarsa   (Member)

For a moment I though everyone was crazy as this one has been released by Intrada. confused
Then noticed it's not the same Dracula at all. roll eyes

My apologies smile

I would love to see this one too. Count me in!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

Well, it wouldn't have to be Williams himself since he has other things to do and LSO would make it pretty expensive, but with current quality of re-recordings done in Prague, Bratislava and Moscow I can't see a reason why this couldn't be recorded in any of those cities if engineers, music producers and conductors are any of our usual beloved teams responsible for recent Tadlow/Prometheus, Intrada and TFC re-recordings. I am sure they would do a fantastic job on such a brilliant score as Dracula.
That previous poor selection available on the LP hardly does the score justice and omits several of the major pieces and important parts of the score.


I was speaking from dreamland of course. But I will stick with my claim that no conductor other than Johnny, who is still with us and going pretty strong, could bring this score fully to life. The 1979 performance is stunning and a re-match with superior sound, and the missing sections restored, would be pretty spectacular.

It's great to have Raine and McNeely doing their peerless work when the original artist is no longer with us, but in this case a good portion of the excitement is generated by the classic pairing of JW and LSO.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

Aha. Confirmation that the sessions cannot be found, then. Very sad.

Hopefully the sheet music survives, and Mr. Fitzpatrick and the Prague orchestra can re-record it.


If the sheet music is gone as well then had the film over to Leigh Philips and let him do his magic!

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

But I will stick with my claim that no conductor other than Johnny, who is still with us and going pretty strong, could bring this score fully to life.

And you're welcome to both that claim of opinion - and the lifetime of empty regret when anyone else takes up the baton.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   Jameson281   (Member)

If music masters are lost, any chance there is a split track for the film that could be used as a source?

 
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