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He probably switched around the fronts and ends of some of those phrases.
He definitely spoke his dialogue in a different font.
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I may agree with a lot of the negative reviews, but I did enjoy the movie a lot and had a great time. Same with the prequels.
If I were still 10, I would have enjoyed them even more.
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I may agree with a lot of the negative reviews, but I did enjoy the movie a lot and had a great time. Same with the prequels.
If I were still 10, I would have enjoyed them even more.
My sentiments exactly. The first act troubled me and it was hard to enjoy it from any standpoint. I found acts II and III better or more engaging however. I liked the "twist" but what followed more or less undid that revelation so it didn't carry as much dramatic weight as it had promised.
Williams' score, well, it's not my favourite. While there were some parts of TFA that felt a little rushed, there were 3 new themes that I rather enjoyed. Rey's Theme, the Goldsmith inspired Falcon music, and Jedi Steps. March of the Resistance and Kylo Ren's theme were fine in context but not my favourite as pure listening. Last Jedi offered but one original theme for Rose and while I actually like it, it doesn't resonate as much as the material from Force Awakens.
And to the guy earlier that said that thing about whiney fan boys something something.... I'm turning 50 this year. I saw A New Hope in theatres when I was 9 and loved it. I saw Empire Strikes Back at 12 and loved it. Saw ROTJ at 15 and sort of loved it (the weakest one of the original trilogy). I remember going to a 4:00AM showing of Phantom Menace in 1999 and slept through some of it. Was disappointed. Then I skipped watching the other 2 prequels in theatres thanks to TPM experience.
I watched The Force Awakens opening night as a 47 year old. And caught The Last Jedi the night before its original release as a 49 year old. I've enjoyed the exploits of all the characters over the past 40 odd years. Star Wars never had to achieve Citizen Kane like standards in filmmaking to be enjoyable for me. But it always had some semblance of narrative consistency, until Last Jedi, which threw out most of what I loved about the franchise. I still enjoyed the spectacle of it in the theatre but, unlike Force Awakens which I saw multiple times in theatres, once was enough for this guy.
One other thing- it's peculiar that those who love Last Jedi appear to be spending more energy invalidating those viewers who didn't like it than the other way around. Yes, those who didn't enjoy it have been quite verbose about it but their issues are levelled at the filmmakers. I don't go around dismissing someone who liked the movie (the friend I saw it with enjoyed TLJ and hated TFA and we had a very nice chat post screening). I've also seen this with Williams' score. Like it's some kind of sin to not be enamoured with it, nor its function within the film. My first impressions coming out of the film were "needle drop" because the use of prominent existing themes appeared to be arbitrarily sprinkled throughout and not carefully re-orchestrated or woven into the narrative.
Anyhow, that's my 2 cents.
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I may agree with a lot of the negative reviews, but I did enjoy the movie a lot and had a great time. Same with the prequels.
If I were still 10, I would have enjoyed them even more.
My sentiments exactly. The first act troubled me and it was hard to enjoy it from any standpoint. I found acts II and III better or more engaging however. I liked the "twist" but what followed more or less undid that revelation so it didn't carry as much dramatic weight as it had promised.
Williams' score, well, it's not my favourite. While there were some parts of TFA that felt a little rushed, there were 3 new themes that I rather enjoyed. Rey's Theme, the Goldsmith inspired Falcon music, and Jedi Steps. March of the Resistance and Kylo Ren's theme were fine in context but not my favourite as pure listening. Last Jedi offered but one original theme for Rose and while I actually like it, it doesn't resonate as much as the material from Force Awakens.
And to the guy earlier that said that thing about whiney fan boys something something.... I'm turning 50 this year. I saw A New Hope in theatres when I was 9 and loved it. I saw Empire Strikes Back at 12 and loved it. Saw ROTJ at 15 and sort of loved it (the weakest one of the original trilogy). I remember going to a 4:00AM showing of Phantom Menace in 1999 and slept through some of it. Was disappointed. Then I skipped watching the other 2 prequels in theatres thanks to TPM experience.
I watched The Force Awakens opening night as a 47 year old. And caught The Last Jedi the night before its original release as a 49 year old. I've enjoyed the exploits of all the characters over the past 40 odd years. Star Wars never had to achieve Citizen Kane like standards in filmmaking to be enjoyable for me. But it always had some semblance of narrative consistency, until Last Jedi, which threw out most of what I loved about the franchise. I still enjoyed the spectacle of it in the theatre but, unlike Force Awakens which I saw multiple times in theatres, once was enough for this guy.
One other thing- it's peculiar that those who love Last Jedi appear to be spending more energy invalidating those viewers who didn't like it than the other way around. Yes, those who didn't enjoy it have been quite verbose about it but their issues are levelled at the filmmakers. I don't go around dismissing someone who liked the movie (the friend I saw it with enjoyed TLJ and hated TFA and we had a very nice chat post screening). I've also seen this with Williams' score. Like it's some kind of sin to not be enamoured with it, nor its function within the film. My first impressions coming out of the film were "needle drop" because the use of prominent existing themes appeared to be arbitrarily sprinkled throughout and not carefully re-orchestrated or woven into the narrative.
Anyhow, that's my 2 cents.
Goldsmith inspired? I wasn’t aware of that.
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Goldsmith inspired? I wasn’t aware of that.
Those odd meter phrases and intervallic relationships are very Jerry and hit me that way right from the first viewing. No problem with it. Williams throws in his own spin on it with his patented flourished and contrasting sections but the main part is very Goldsmith.
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I saw the movie on the first of this month with a couple of friends. We were curious as all get out given the fan reaction. While the credits rolled, I turned to the friend right next to me and said, "I don't know what everyone's pissed about."
It was an enormous improvement over The Force Awakens, which was rife with copious, ill-fitting humor. I know some people don't like the jokes in here, but nothing will beat Han screwing around with Chewie's bowcaster in the middle of a battle. Oy.
It skirted a bit close to material from The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi but, thankfully, veered abruptly away when I was about to become irritated.
I can't help wondering what Star Wars movies some people have watched, because they certainly aren't the ones I have. They've always been cheesy, over-the-top fare that barely dodge being laughable in many instances (and are truly laughable in other installments). The plots have always been as paper thin as the characters, especially in the Lucas-driven installments. Han and Leia had a romance out of absolutely nowhere. It was plopped into our laps and we were meant to accept it, but even as a kid it seemed forced (no pun intended). Then Return of the Jedi retconned both the newly minted love triangle and characters' DNA, thereby adding incest. Everybody remembers that mess, right?
At the end of the day, they're popcorn movies, pure and simple. It's not life and death we're talking about. For this Star Wars fan, who only truly enjoys Star Wars and Empire out of the first six, the last three have been very enjoyable, even if the first was derivative... but then again so was Return of the Jedi. (Another Death Star must be destroyed to save the Rebellion?!) The Force Awakens avoided being a snoozefest though. It actually had three acts of story.
If you like it, cool. If not, cool. I'm not going to try and convince anyone of anything. I've got better things to do.
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Saw the film last Thursday, and thus heard the score for the first time.
I never saw a SW film I didn't enjoy, and have seen them all in the cinema. Of course some are better than others, but for me they are all very entertaining. The original was created as a straightforward popcorn movie, and that's what every sequel and prequel has been. Whenever we get especially good characterisation, actors performances and plotting, we should count ourselves lucky that the franchise has risen to a peak on these occasions, because unfortunately for those of us who grew up since our young minds were blown away just after the opening titles of the original '77 release, it's not really about any of those things.
The way to enjoy these films is to go expecting amazing special effects, and lots of action. Everything else is a bonus.
But one thing that never disappoints is the incredible music of John Williams. As with every film in this series, the score is wonderful, and will have pride of place on cd next to all my others.
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Much of what Davecos said above mirrors my experiences with the franchise. I am very close in age and had much of the same reactions to each of the releases. I didn't fall asleep with TPM, however, and still caught the next two films in the theater, but they are certainly not my favorites. Interestingly, my son, who watched ROTS at a young age, feels it is the best of all the films.
With this latest movie, I had a fairly enjoyable two and a half hours...but I didn't think the film was great. Admittedly, I fell for some of the early gushing about the film being as good as TESB, and got my hopes up. Sorry, but this movie is no where CLOSE to the quality of TESB. Ultimately, what troubles me most about the movie is that I've yet to figure out what it is about it that I don't like. At any rate, I will only see this movie once in the theater.
As for the music, I feel exactly the same way about it. It's fairly enjoyable, but I don't think it's great. Unfortunately, I think it is one of Williams' weakest Star Wars scores. It feels very disjointed and uncohesive. And like the movie, I've only spent one time with it. I haven't played it again. During my first listening, I found my attention constantly drifting to something else, and I had to keep refocusing on the music. That RARELY happens when listening to his works..
Over time, both the movie and the music will get more views/listens from me, and maybe I will learn to enjoy both a little more while looking past the things I didn't like about them. For now, though, I am underwhelmed by this latest entry.
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For all that's said about JW and his music for Star Wars, it's still a fact that when he does number nine in the saga it will truly be an end of an era.
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Has a "For Your Consideration" version of the score with extra music popped up online yet like they did with the TFA and Rogue One scores? Seems like those showed up pretty fast after the release of those films, but I haven't heard anything yet about a FYC release for The Last Jedi (unless I missed it in this thread).
It's on this page even.
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I saw the movie on the first of this month with a couple of friends. We were curious as all get out given the fan reaction. While the credits rolled, I turned to the friend right next to me and said, "I don't know what everyone's pissed about."
It was an enormous improvement over The Force Awakens, which was rife with copious, ill-fitting humor. I know some people don't like the jokes in here, but nothing will beat Han screwing around with Chewie's bowcaster in the middle of a battle. Oy.
It skirted a bit close to material from The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi but, thankfully, veered abruptly away when I was about to become irritated.
I can't help wondering what Star Wars movies some people have watched, because they certainly aren't the ones I have. They've always been cheesy, over-the-top fare that barely dodge being laughable in many instances (and are truly laughable in other installments). The plots have always been as paper thin as the characters, especially in the Lucas-driven installments. Han and Leia had a romance out of absolutely nowhere. It was plopped into our laps and we were meant to accept it, but even as a kid it seemed forced (no pun intended). Then Return of the Jedi retconned both the newly minted love triangle and characters' DNA, thereby adding incest. Everybody remembers that mess, right?
At the end of the day, they're popcorn movies, pure and simple. It's not life and death we're talking about. For this Star Wars fan, who only truly enjoys Star Wars and Empire out of the first six, the last three have been very enjoyable, even if the first was derivative... but then again so was Return of the Jedi. (Another Death Star must be destroyed to save the Rebellion?!) The Force Awakens avoided being a snoozefest though. It actually had three acts of story.
If you like it, cool. If not, cool. I'm not going to try and convince anyone of anything. I've got better things to do.
Just watched the prequels in order for the first time since I got them on dvd way back, all on release. I used to agree with what many said about them from memory on seeing them in the cinema, which for me hinged mainly on the transformations of both Vader and the Emperor being a little too instant. This time around only the Emperor's seemed that way, and I found all of them to be very entertaining, and enjoyed every second, cgi-fests or not. Yep, not even Mr Binks spoiled them in the slightest.
And (just so this doesn't get flipped to the other side), the music is of course sublime. Couldn't get Duel of the Fates and Across the Stars out of my head for ages.
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Last Jedi, coming to Netflix, June 26, as part of the Netflix/Disney deal.
Thanks for the hot tip, Kev! Now all the ZERO of us who missed out on this can give it a gander!
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