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 Posted:   Jul 10, 2012 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


"The Hundred Days Of The Dragon" shouldn't be as beguiling as it is. It's to Frontiere's credit that he engages the viewer/listener with a melody that goes down smoothly. However, the Asian contour & colorings of this melody creates an ersatz exoticism which assumes that the viewing audience is comprised only of non-Asian Americans. This is an unfortunate by-product of the Red-China-scare era which (I think) doesn't travel well geographically, culturally, or temporally. Whether this approach was wrong-headed or not, the greatest misfortune of this score is that it's valid primarily for only this episode and is ill-suited to be tracked into any other story.



Well, those were the times, and, as someone who LOVES exotica, this is not an issue for me.

I think as pure music, this is very effective, despite period and geographic trappings.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2012 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

True, it's a satisfying listening experience. It's not really an issue with me, but I wonder how somebody from another country/culture may assess Frontiere's approach for this segment.

THE HUNDRED DAYS OF THE DRAGON was the 7th story to be filmed and it was the 2nd to be broadcast. This show was apparently deemed a strong enough entry to follow-up THE GALAXY BEING premiere. Before the series had established a monster-of-the-week format, this proto-"Mission: Impossible"-type story treats the Chinese as the monster.

All of the Asian actors portray "bad" guys, and (of course) all the American protagonists are the "good" guys.

I recall reading somewhere (not within FSM, but elsewhere) that a Scandinavian had a very low opinion about THE HUNDRED DAYS OF THE DRAGON because he couldn't have cared less about America perceiving danger arising from out of Red China. Plus the whole pro-American/anti-communist slant of this segment reduces what should be essentially sci-fi to (perhaps unwittingly) a level of propaganda.

Yeah - the music casts its spell in its own way, but I think we should all be able to agree that THE HUNDRED DAYS OF THE DRAGON (love it or dislike it) is not a typical episode of THE OUTER LIMITS.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2012 - 8:52 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

It's been a while since I've seen this episode. I'm sure I saw this as a kid, but my initial thoughts seeing it as an adult were that it reminded me of the Manchurian Candidate, and, also, that Outer Limits was way better at filling an hour than TZ was during its dreaded fourth season.

Tonerow, I'm working on a list of my favorite Outer Limits scores in order. I'll have it soon. I can tell you that the Mice/Nightmare is at the very top. The Man Who Was Never Born and Architects of Fear are close behind. Doomsday and Tourist Attraction are toward the bottom. Should I include the score that was paired with "A Name for Evil?" I think that aired as an OL episode.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2012 - 11:43 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

It's been a while since I've seen this episode. I'm sure I saw this as a kid, but my initial thoughts seeing it as an adult were that it reminded me of the Manchurian Candidate, and, also, that Outer Limits was way better at filling an hour than TZ was during its dreaded fourth season.

Tonerow, I'm working on a list of my favorite Outer Limits scores in order. I'll have it soon. I can tell you that the Mice/Nightmare is at the very top. The Man Who Was Never Born and Architects of Fear are close behind. Doomsday and Tourist Attraction are toward the bottom. Should I include the score that was paired with "A Name for Evil?" I think that aired as an OL episode.


Sounds like OnyaBirri likes the Robert Van Eps episodes the least.

Yes, please include THE UNKNOWN. The episode "The Forms Of Things Unknown" was derived from the same material as THE UNKNOWN, an intended spin-off.

I agree also that Joseph Stefano and story editor Lou Morheim did excellent work providing hour-long scripts for this series. (there are some TWILIGHT ZONE hour-shows which I like, though).

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2017 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

Bumped in memory of mr frontiere

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2017 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

Until the most recent post in this thread, I did not know Dominic Frontiere had passed. I loved his music for THE OUTER LIMITS, I was only about six or seven years old when I saw that show in its first run, but I remember that the music scared me.

I have nothing against Harry Lubin's music for the second season. As a matter of fact, I like it a lot, but it lacks the biting "on-the-edge" sound of many of Frontiere's scores.

I also really liked his music for RAT PATROL, and I think he graced HANG 'EM HIGH with possibly the best non-Morricone score for any of Clint Eastwood's Westerns.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2017 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)



Don't forget the fabulous Roaring Twenties Ragtime music composed by Robert Van Eps in "Doomsday".


By far the worst, most mood-breaking tracks in the set. It really annoys me that some of them are indexed within the same tracks as the underscore. I hate it when producers do that.


I adore those ragtime interludes that remind me the one from John Williams' "Rendezvous with Yesterday".


Williams studied with Van Eps (as did Frontiere).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2017 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Until the most recent post in this thread, I did not know Dominic Frontiere had passed. I loved his music for THE OUTER LIMITS, I was only about six or seven years old when I saw that show in its first run, but I remember that the music scared me.

I have nothing against Harry Lubin's music for the second season. As a matter of fact, I like it a lot, but it lacks the biting "on-the-edge" sound of many of Frontiere's scores.

I also really liked his music for RAT PATROL, and I think he graced HANG 'EM HIGH with possibly the best non-Morricone score for any of Clint Eastwood's Westerns.


For my money, "Hang 'Em High" is Frontiere's best feature film score!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2017 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Until the most recent post in this thread, I did not know Dominic Frontiere had passed. I loved his music for THE OUTER LIMITS, I was only about six or seven years old when I saw that show in its first run, but I remember that the music scared me.

I have nothing against Harry Lubin's music for the second season. As a matter of fact, I like it a lot, but it lacks the biting "on-the-edge" sound of many of Frontiere's scores.

I also really liked his music for RAT PATROL, and I think he graced HANG 'EM HIGH with possibly the best non-Morricone score for any of Clint Eastwood's Westerns.


The electronic instruments are the best thing about Lubin's music.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2017 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

ToneRow, I could never rank the great scores which Dominic Frontiere wrote for that series - it would take me months to get my ideas together. But you've made me want to listen to the wonderful LLL 3-disc set again.

Regarding your comments on "The Hundred Days of the Dragon" - I thought it was just about perfect. The "yellow peril" Orientalisms might sound clichéd by now, but it works wonders nonetheless. Reminds me of what Goldsmith (and Friedhofer before him) would do with just a hint of the pentatonic scale and lots of beautifully subtle tinkling percussion.

I'd also like to give a thumbs-up to the Van Eps contribution. It reminded me of the underwater "ballet" in CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON, so that's good enough for me.

About the other scores - as I said, it's hard for me to rank them. Off-hand I'd certainly go along with your choices of "The Architects of Fear" and "The Man Who Was Never Born". Splendid stuff - bristling, chilling action, unsettling mood music, and some of the most gorgeous romantic themes ever written.

I think, overall, I like Frontiere best when he is allowed to incorporate a good love theme into the brew. The one that stuck with me for years, ever since I first saw it on the telly, was the bit used for the finale of "A Feasibilty Study" (No spoilers - David Opatoshu in the church) which makes my hair stand on end just thinking about it. I think Joan Hue would say "bone-meltingly gorgeos". That's the first time I heard that music, but it might have been written for "The Human Factor" first, and later retracked - I'll have to check (or one of you can confirm it for me and save me the trouble).

I also love the LaLaLand CD of A NAME FOR EVIL and THE UNKNOWN. That's not off-topic, because as you all know, THE UNKNOWN is actually "The Forms of Things Unknown" from The Outer Limits. It's quite unlike his other scores for the series (you probably know why that's the case), and on each listening I hear the influence of Alex North more and more. The "Postlude" follows North's THE MISFITS fairly closely. And although A NAME FOR EVIL has nothing to do with The Outer Limits at all, it's not off-topic to mention that one either, because it SOUNDS like an Outer Limits score (complete with North-ish "open-ended" brass chords).


I wrote all that over five years ago, but I still agree with m'self. Not really "ranking" them might be cheating, or a result of laziness, but I can be pardoned due to the festive season, can't I?

Revisiting the 3-CD set yesterday (because it seemed timely, and I really hadn't played it in a long time), I was reminded how wonderfully eerie and compelling his score for "Nightmare" is, with those arpeggiating (sp?) harps. Pretty hypnotic weirdness.

 
 Posted:   Dec 25, 2017 - 8:06 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I just received The Immortal TV series for Christmas (the 1970 series starring Christopher George) and Mr. Frontiere's music is fantastic. It's tracked liberally, as was the custom of the time, and it always lifted every episode.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2018 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

I don't know why Frontiere wasn't employed for a 2nd season. Music can make & break a series, this is the case where the music gave the series a definite personality to the 1st season, its better than the 2nd.

The Outer Limits episode I like is The form of things unknown, its the same as the music in the Invaders, I'm one who pays attention to the small details, & like viewing a solid program the music matched, Can we soon have an over-due Invaders! Labels.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 5, 2018 - 3:33 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

I don't know why Frontiere wasn't employed for a 2nd season. Music can make & break a series, this is the case where the music gave the series a definite personality to the 1st season, its better than the 2nd.

The Outer Limits episode I like is The form of things unknown, its the same as the music in the Invaders, I'm one who pays attention to the small details, & like viewing a solid program the music matched, Can we soon have an over-due Invaders! Labels.



The tapes are missing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2018 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   rob2004canada   (Member)

Hello,

I have been combing through the 3 CD set LLL set and the older GNP set. I was wondering if someone could tell me which cues on the available CDs comprise the tracks from "The Galaxy Being"? I heard some of the music but obviously some is tracked in from somewhere else, unfortunately. It's difficult for me to find all of it. Thank you all.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2018 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

Hello,

I have been combing through the 3 CD set LLL set and the older GNP set. I was wondering if someone could tell me which cues on the available CDs comprise the tracks from "The Galaxy Being"? I heard some of the music but obviously some is tracked in from somewhere else, unfortunately. It's difficult for me to find all of it. Thank you all.


"The Galaxy Being" is not on the set because they couldn't find the tapes.
Anyway, it's a very brief score that feeds on a Stoney Burke score "Forget No More".

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2019 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   Leo Nicols   (Member)

My personal favourite piece of music from that incredible series, I remember watching 'The Architects of Fear'episode with my family way back in 1963 ....music evokes so many fond memories.

'Requiem for a Scarecrow'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MivNnH_l0PQ

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2019 - 8:10 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

The one that stuck with me for years, ever since I first saw it on the telly, was the bit used for the finale of "A Feasibilty Study" (No spoilers - David Opatoshu in the church) which makes my hair stand on end just thinking about it. I think Joan Hue would say "bone-meltingly gorgeos". That's the first time I heard that music, but it might have been written for "The Human Factor" first, and later retracked - I'll have to check (or one of you can confirm it for me and save me the trouble).


Yeah, Graham, "A Feasibility Study" was tracked with stock library cues.
Indeed, the selection of music for the ending with self-sacrifice came from the love theme written for 26-year-old Sally Kellerman falling for 48-year-old Gary Merrill in "The Human Factor".

I suspect, Graham, neither your bones melt nor your hair stands on end whenever you watch this "odd couple"'s love scenes in "The Human Factor"!
It's fascinating, though, how a piece of library music can be applied to different scenes and take on different effects according to the context of those scenes.
It was the characters' situation in conjunction with the music which made that lasting impression upon you.

I'm curious, Graham, when did THE OUTER LIMITS get broadcast in the U.K.?
Were they shown on ITV or BBC, and were they transmitted before 1970 or afterwards?


Nope.

AFS was supposed to be the FIRST episode broadcast. The score is original and was tracked in subsequent eps.
It fits so perfectly it had to be bespoke!

See my thread : OUTER LIMITS: THE JOY OF TRACKING

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2019 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Was the music at the start (actually as orchestrated at 1:45) included in the LLL 3-cd set?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2019 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   JThree   (Member)



I really want Stony Burke to get a soundtrack release?

--jthree

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2019 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I really want Stony Burke to get a soundtrack release?

--jthree


I'm going to enjoy the Invaders for about 15 or 20 minutes before I ask for Stony Burke. I'll be back in 15 or 20.

 
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