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 Posted:   Jun 6, 2018 - 7:08 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Actually Black Patch is the one that might have some music you like in it...but it's never been released.

Yavar


Well, that's what I always worry about. Does it have any of his nervous/angular/longhair Twilight Zone sound?


Onyabirri should trademark that phrase

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2018 - 8:16 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Onyabirri should trademark that phrase

How much do you think I can earn?

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2018 - 8:22 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

10 under our belt thus far! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2018 - 5:03 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

So it is a harmonica-free, banjo-free safe space?

Haha yes, though both Playhouse 90 scores we covered (neither of them a western really) both feature harmonica, just to warn you.

You may also like Face of a Fugitive at times (though perhaps not as much as Black Patch). Try this main title -- it's nice and dark and I detect some Rozsa influence:


Yavar


Hey Yavar - You forgot to mention Previn AGAIN! And North. And Rosenman at 2:45 (although I'm sure you deliberately avoided mentioning him).

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2018 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I figured this thread was worth bumping, as any fans of Goldsmith western music can now hear three complete Jerry Goldsmith TV western scores for Gunsmoke here, on The Goldsmith Odyssey:
https://www.buzzsprout.com/159614/853743-episode-14-gunsmoke-doc-judge-the-blacksmith-the-wake-1960

Curious to hear what you think!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2019 - 5:30 PM   
 By:   Movieman5   (Member)

So how does everyone rank these scores, wondering which ones I should get first from the La La Land Sale

100 rifles with Rio Conchos
Bandolero
Rio Lobo
Take a Hard Ride
Stagecoach

thanks for any info.

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2019 - 6:05 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

They are all good. Kind of a matter of taste.

My 2 favorites are 1. Take a Hard Ride and two is Rio Conchos

3. Bandolero

4. Stage Coach

5. 100 Rifles. If that is on the same disc and Rio Conchos, you have a deal.

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2019 - 6:24 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

So how does everyone rank these scores, wondering which ones I should get first from the La La Land Sale

100 rifles with Rio Conchos
Bandolero
Rio Lobo
Take a Hard Ride
Stagecoach

thanks for any info.


Take a Hard Ride. My favorite Goldsmith Western and one of my favorite Goldsmiths, period.

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2019 - 6:47 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I would rank them exactly as you have them listed.

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2019 - 5:55 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I belatedly realized I need to bump this thread I started again, because we have since covered two unreleased titles (and one released) on The Goldsmith Odyssey!

First up and more importantly, two unreleased scores (the second of them, “A Head of Hair” particularly memorable) from the beloved Richard Boone western series, Have Gun — Will Travel. Plus, as a bonus, the single cue Jerry contributed to the group-composed score to the serious Elvis Presley western, Flaming Star. I only recognized *after* recording this podcast that Jerry actually incorporates the melody from the title song, near the end of his very substantial 2:14 finale cue, “Pacer’s Farewell” — this has never been released on CD but can be heard music-only thanks to the Twilight Time Blu-ray’s isolated score track:

http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/927433-episode-16-have-gun-will-travel-flaming-star-1960

And more recently, we covered Jerry’s western contribution to The Twilight Zone, “Dust”. This is a very spare, subtle, restrained and economical score which took a while to grow on me, but grow it did!

http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/1210706-episode-19-the-twilight-zone-dust-1961

We discuss that cue by cue, though it was released on CD as one lump suite.

Very interested to hear what people think of these Goldsmith works, if you listen to those podcasts...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2019 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

We are recording our second (of three) podcast installment on Jerry's Gunsmoke scores (the two he did in 1961) tomorrow night, and I'm so excited for everyone reading this thread to hear those two scores, in the clear! (All thanks due to Ron Burbella, who supplied us with those scores.)

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2019 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

In the mean time, you can check out this music the only way we've been able to to date, in the show, the music backed scenes collected into little suites by user tharpdevenport:

Love Thy Neighbor




Old Faces


 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2019 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

And as promised here is the finished episode covering Jerry’s output for Gunsmoke in 1961 — two very fine and very different western scores! Luckily thanks to the generosity of Ron Burbella we have them for you in music-only form, aside from one brief cue!
http://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/1958638-episode-22-gunsmoke-love-thy-neighbor-old-faces-1961



Let me know what you think of the scores, after listening!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2021 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I've neglected to make a couple updates to this thread with Goldsmith Odyssey episodes...

First we have Jerry's sole original score for Rawhide, "Incident in the Middle of Nowhere", discussed at length with special guest co-host, Emmy-winning composer Carlos Rafael Rivera (Godless, The Queen's Gambit, A Walk Among the Tombstones):
https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/6464008-episode-28-rawhide-incident-in-the-middle-of-nowhere-1961



And for those who want the full context of our conversation with him, be sure to first listen to our Odyssey Interview recorded just before, talking about his general relationship to Goldsmith, his own experience in the western genre (Godless) as well as his most recent score for last year's The Queen's Gambit:
https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/6049561-odyssey-interviews-carlos-rafael-rivera



(That's Carlos holding his Jerry Goldsmith award.)


Then we revisited Face of a Fugitive with a special shorter Soundtrack Spotlight episode with Doug and Roger of Intrada:
https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/8192306-odyssey-soundtrack-spotlight-face-of-a-fugitive-1959




And finally, the unthinkable... a 3.5 hour podcast dedicated to the THEME Jerry contributed (uncredited) to the 1959-1960 TV series Black Saddle! This is the craziest thing I've ever done for the Odyssey and required the most work, but I'm immensely proud of how it turned out... if you wonder how we talked for so long about a single theme, well give it a listen and you'll understand:

https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/8223919-gold-nugget-8-black-saddle-history-of-a-theme-1958-2020



Very interested in feedback about any of these podcasts or music we discuss!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2021 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

A few Goldsmith western-related updates from The Goldsmith Odyssey...

First, and most importantly if anyone was unaware, Intrada Records is running a Kickstarter campaign to re-record Jerry Goldsmith's very first western score (and very first feature film score), BLACK PATCH! It's been reconstructed by Leigh Phillips, and the Royal Scottish National Orchestra is recording this October under the baton of conductor William Stromberg! Paired with another lost Goldsmith score, THE MAN, it is now more than $3,000 over its goal with only 52 hours remaining to pledge $30 (which includes shipping cost) and get an early copy of the album...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/129145902/black-patch-the-man-jerry-goldsmith-new-recording

For those interested, we at The Goldsmith Odyssey did a funny little sequel to our "Vote Goldsmith for Kickstarter" PSA from three years ago:
https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/9022000-support-goldsmith-on-kickstarter

Jerry's sole cue written for FLAMING STAR (1960) has been released on CD by La-La Land Records on their Jerry Goldsmith at 20th Vol. 3:
https://lalalandrecords.com/goldsmith-at-20th-vol-3-the-stripper-s-p-y-s-limited-edition/

Interestingly this is NOT the version of the cue on the Twilight Time iso score track which we previously covered on the podcast during our Have Gun - Will Travel episode! Apparently that version featured a truncated film ending which I guess Jerry was not involved with, so this CD version premieres his original composition which is 20+ seconds longer. And it's excellent! We discuss it (and play the unique ending) on our Soundtrack Spotlight episode here:

https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/8553668-odyssey-soundtrack-spotlight-goldsmith-at-20th-vol-3-flaming-star-1960-the-stripper-1963-s-p-y-s-1974


Intrada revisited their 1989 London Symphony Orchestra re-recording of Rio Conchos, and we also did a lengthier Spotlight episode with Doug Fake of Intrada sharing his memories of working with Jerry on the project, and outlining the little tweaks made for this new edition:

https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/8724952-odyssey-soundtrack-spotlight-rio-conchos-the-artist-who-did-not-want-to-paint-1989-intrada-recording


We also did Spotlights for new, slightly expanded (and now complete) editions of a modern day western and one that I liked to call an "honorary western" due to the latin elements of the score:

https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/8913325-odyssey-soundtrack-spotlight-extreme-prejudice-1987


https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/9082500-odyssey-soundtrack-spotlight-caboblanco-1980


Hope folks enjoy these -- please feel free to let me know what you think!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2021 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   CCOJOE   (Member)

Loved your discussion with Doug about Rio Conchos, my favorite Western score from Jerry. Sadly, it became a bit awkward at the end, with the conversation about food. Is Jens the ONLY person who cares about this (and yes, I am quite aware of the thousands-long thread entitled What Does Jerry Goldsmith Eat at Outback Steakhouse?). As fanboys of the music, lets focus on that please. I don't care if he likes his ham sandwich with mayo or without. Thanks!

Also, the discussion regarding Extreme Prejudice was outstanding. Well done and illuminating. Great job by Jens and David (and Doug and John).

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2021 - 2:34 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Loved your discussion with Doug about Rio Conchos, my favorite Western score from Jerry.

I'm so glad -- thanks for the feedback!

Sadly, it became a bit awkward at the end, with the conversation about food. Is Jens the ONLY person who cares about this (and yes, I am quite aware of the thousands-long thread entitled What Does Jerry Goldsmith Eat at Outback Steakhouse?). As fanboys of the music, lets focus on that please. I don't care if he likes his ham sandwich with mayo or without. Thanks!

Well, that's why it was put in the outtakes section. I didn't want it in the main episode but yeah, Jens really cares about the man Jerry was, not just the musician. And I'd guess there are quite a few other people out there like him!

I'm with you in mostly caring about his work.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2022 - 6:08 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I have updated the list in the first post with the following entry:

1962 - MISTER DOC (pilot for a western comedy that never went to series; instead this was folded into General Electric Theater and aired near the end of that series' tenth and final season)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0586214/?ref_=ttep_ep29
IMDb describes it as "Western comedy about a pharmacist and his son at the turn of the 20th century."
And: Failed pilot reportedly rejected because it had "no sex and no violence", as told by an old magazine. Sometimes referred to as "Mr. Doc's Examination".

Thanks to my friend Carson Cohen, I actually have an instrumental breakdown and cue list for Jerry's score, which he got from visiting the CBS archives in LA some years ago -- presumably the written music still survives there and could be used for a new recording if the original recording is lost:

MR. DOC (Pilot)
Jerry Goldsmith
CPN 5953

Instrumentation:
Flute
Oboe/English Horn
2 Clarinets
Guitar
2 Violins
Viola
Cello
Bass
Harp

Cues:
Prologue
Night Work
Patience
Wash Up
Bums Rush
Home Work
Soda Jerk
Worried Town
The Tutors
The Examination
The Prescription
The Oath
End Credits
Harp Fills

---

I sure would love to hear this!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2022 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

An update about "Mister Doc", the unsold western pilot which got folded into the final season of GE Theater -- it EXISTS in video form still, and the Paley Center for media has a copy!
https://www.paleycenter.org/collection/item/?q=cbs+television+w..&p=206&item=B:42233


And thanks to Carson Cohen again, I've discovered another FEATURE-LENGTH western scored by Goldsmith, the Playhouse 90 episode "Out of Dust" directed by Ralph Nelson (who later collaborated with Goldsmith again on Lilies of the Field and Fate Is the Hunter) -- here's the description from IMDb:
"On a cattle drive across the prairie, the sons of a wealthy cattle baron (Charles Bickford) plot his death."
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0675595/

Wikipedia says, "A story of murder on the cattle trail in the old West. Three sons, a daughter-in-law and a hired man all hate the dictatorial Old Man Grant and conspire against him. It was taped outdoors in the Conejo Valley near Los Angeles."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_Dust#:~:text=%22Out%20of%20Dust%22%20is%20an,play%20written%20by%20Lynn%20Riggs.

Here are the details about Goldsmith's score materials which Carson recorded upon viewing them:

OUT OF DUST
Jerry Goldsmith
CPN 5801

Instrumentation:
3 Flutes/Clarinets/Alto Flute/Piccolo/Bass Clarinets
2 Horns
2 Trombones
2 Violins
Viola
Cello
Bass/Tuba
Percussion: Tympani, Xylophone, Bass Drum, Vibraphone, Marimba, Cymbal

Cues:
Out of Dust
Threaths [sic]
Bitter Thoughts
Rose’s Letter
The Seed
#6 [no title] [1 thru 6 of cue 9]
The Threat (long)
Ideas (long)
The Gift (long)
[untitled - 9A bars 8-14]
Evil Plans (1:42)
Show Down
The Killing (long)
On the Move [formerly 9A bars 1-7]
Jeff’s Story (long - 3:00?)
The Shack
The Kiss
Moon Light
Discovery
King’s Death
Farewell

Former #2: Out of Dust
Former #13: Cattle Town

--

Obviously there were some re-used cues (which were not all that uncommon on live TV productions; this stuff happened incredibly quickly and there were last minute music needs and such), and a new recording from the written materials would require some additional research/clean up. But it's exciting to learn that another feature-length (Playhouse 90s were so titled because they were 90 minutes) Goldsmith western scores exists, even if it might only be in written form! I have added it to the main post.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2022 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

Great find. Well done. Another for the list. Very interesting.

 
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