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I happened to watch an episode called One of Our Planets is Missing. WTF?! A cloud going around eating planets? Totally (as we say in the UK) gobsmacked. I've always seen The Ultimate Computer and The Doomsday Machine mentioned in the same breath as TMP, but this was a shocking first for me. What's more I got to the third website before anyone mentioned the connection.
Not to mention that damn cartoon music is playing in my head all the time now!
One of Our Planets is Missing is 1) one of my favorites and 2) absolutely a part of the template for TMP. And not just because they both say "cloud". There's even a "Spock melds with the other 'ship'" moment as well as "Kirk is going to self destruct to save the planet".
Take The Changeling, give it the young captain displaced by older commander plot from Run Silent Run Deep, mix in One of Our Planets, slow it all down to a crawl: TA DA! Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
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Speaking of To Start a Nerd War...
"Star Trek V: The Final Frontier" is a better film than "Star Trek: Nemesis". Score wise, too.
I agree with this completely. Nemesis is just a bad version of Die Another Day.
Wow. Calling out Star Trek AND Bond nerds. I solute your breadth. You also managed to pit Arnold against Goldsmith. Audacious.
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STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE is my unapologetic favorite of all the Trek films, and I also rank it as the finest of the Trek film scores -- all other composers and generations included.
Same here, the first one is clearly my favorite Star Trek movie (and score). Star Trek V was a misguided failure and not a very good movie on its own terms, but it also had a fine Jerry Goldsmith Score.
My second favorite Star Trek movie is actually INSURRECTION, but I guess I'm pretty much alone in that. Second favorite score? I don't know, after ST:TMP there are a lot of very good scores in the franchise, not just by Goldsmith of course. From Horner to Rosenman to McCarthy... they all did outstanding work for the franchise.
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Dec 7, 2017 - 7:25 AM
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STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE is my unapologetic favorite of all the Trek films, and I also rank it as the finest of the Trek film scores -- all other composers and generations included.
Same here, the first one is clearly my favorite Star Trek movie (and score). Star Trek V was a misguided failure and not a very good movie on its own terms, but it also had a fine Jerry Goldsmith Score.
My second favorite Star Trek movie is actually INSURRECTION, but I guess I'm pretty much alone in that. Second favorite score? I don't know, after ST:TMP there are a lot of very good scores in the franchise, not just by Goldsmith of course. From Horner to Rosenman to McCarthy... they all did outstanding work for the franchise.
I will stick up for you on Insurrection, it is not my first or second favorite, but of all the TNG movies it is closest in spirit to what Trek was at heart. It had some beautiful moments, using the outdoor locations to advantage, of course a sylvan and really lyrical score, and full of immense action beats. I think much of the film works, but it gets a bit lost somewhere in the last act. One of the best moments is when Geordi gets his eyesight back to see the sunset.
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I will stick up for you on Insurrection, it is not my first or second favorite, but of all the TNG movies it is closest in spirit to what Trek was at heart. It had some beautiful moments, using the outdoor locations to advantage, of course a sylvan and really lyrical score, and full of immense action beats. I think much of the film works, but it gets a bit lost somewhere in the last act. One of the best moments is when Geordi gets his eyesight back to see the sunset.
I got to see a live concert of Star Wars / Star Trek music last year. For the "Goldsmith End Titles" they picked Insurrection. I thought it was an odd choice. I'd have chosen First Contact or TMP or even TFF.
I was weeping during the Ba'ku segment. SO lovely.
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Dec 7, 2017 - 8:35 AM
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Ado
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I will stick up for you on Insurrection, it is not my first or second favorite, but of all the TNG movies it is closest in spirit to what Trek was at heart. It had some beautiful moments, using the outdoor locations to advantage, of course a sylvan and really lyrical score, and full of immense action beats. I think much of the film works, but it gets a bit lost somewhere in the last act. One of the best moments is when Geordi gets his eyesight back to see the sunset.
I got to see a live concert of Star Wars / Star Trek music last year. For the "Goldsmith End Titles" they picked Insurrection. I thought it was an odd choice. I'd have chosen First Contact or TMP or even TFF.
I was weeping during the Ba'ku segment. SO lovely.
Spot on OTG
That is some gentle and pastoral and elegance to that music, you look at that piece, and the robust action bits, the scope in that one score, the very clear relate-able musical ideas for parts of the film and moments, and you can see - even at his so called pared down - less notey phase, Goldsmith was an astonishingly brilliant talented composer.
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Dec 7, 2017 - 9:19 AM
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Not a fan of TMP as a film at all even though the score is great. It was definitely bloated and clear it was originally intended to be an episode or pilot for the comeback. It would have worked as a 45-60 min tv episode. But extended out to a full movie it just was a very plodding and dull paced film - more so considering it is Star Trek.
Final Frontier is a guilty pleasure of mine. I know the movie is not good by any means, but the dialogue between the main three was pretty close to the original series banter they would frequently have. So I appreciated that part of the movie greatly. Obviously the budget being cut hurt the movie and it's finale greatly, too. From a film standpoint, TFF is more entertaining to me and fun to watch than TMP.
I'd still place Horner's Wrath of Khan and Eidelman's Undiscovered Country scores over Final Frontier, though. Yes, that's probably blasphemous to many on here, but all those new themes and the incredible action cues from those two scores puts it head and shoulders above V's score for me. I also greatly appreciated Horner's little homages/slight nods, whatever you want to call it, to the original series' music as well. I don't know much about the making of that score, but I would have to assume he watched a few of the old series season 1 episodes (namely Man Trap or Charlie X and possibly Space Seed for obvious reasons) before scoring WOK.
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Dec 7, 2017 - 9:25 AM
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Not a fan of TMP as a film at all even though the score is great. It was definitely bloated and clear it was originally intended to be an episode or pilot for the comeback. It would have worked as a 45-60 min tv episode. But extended out to a full movie it just was a very plodding and dull paced film - more so considering it is Star Trek.
Final Frontier is a guilty pleasure of mine. I know the movie is not good by any means, but the dialogue between the main three was pretty close to the original series banter they would frequently have. So I appreciated that part of the movie greatly. Obviously the budget being cut hurt the movie and it's finale greatly, too. From a film standpoint, TFF is more entertaining to me and fun to watch than TMP.
I'd still place Horner's Wrath of Khan and Eidelman's Undiscovered Country scores over Final Frontier, though. Yes, that's probably blasphemous to many on here, but all those new themes and the incredible action cues from those two scores puts it head and shoulders above V's score for me. I also greatly appreciated Horner's little homages/slight nods, whatever you want to call it, to the original series' music as well. I don't know much about the making of that score, but I would have to assume he watched a few of the old series season 1 episodes (namely Man Trap or Charlie X and possibly Space Seed for obvious reasons) before scoring WOK.
I don't know if he did, or if it was intentional, but I certainly picked up on what sounded like music sourced from TOS in WOK. Subtle but it's there. (and I'm not referring to the main theme) I wonder if anyone can confirm this?
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I don't know if he did, or if it was intentional, but I certainly picked up on what sounded like music sourced from TOS in WOK. Subtle but it's there. (and I'm not referring to the main theme) I wonder if anyone can confirm this?
There's some bits on Regula that are very Charlie X. And it's so isolated, there's nothing else in the score that sounds quite like that) I expect it's intentional.
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