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 Posted:   Apr 25, 2015 - 2:45 PM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Am I hearing things or is Bear's SHIELD theme in "Breaking and Entering"?

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2015 - 6:28 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Am I hearing things or is Bear's SHIELD theme in "Breaking and Entering"?

Haven't seen the film and I don't watch SHIELD, but one or more characters from the television series have cameos in the film so I wouldn't be surprised.

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2015 - 11:46 PM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

So the last track has really grown on me. Kinda Spiderman meets Terminator. Like a lot of Elfman stuff it doesn't hit me initially, but after 10 or twenty listens it really starts working.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2015 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Listened to the soundtrack today and enjoyed it mainly for its intensity and action many action moments. The best theme in it is still Silvestri's from the first and did I hear Elfman re-using his Sleepy Hollow music on more than one occasion? Not that it bothered me, fit in nicely with the rest.

These movies aren't for me. I didn't grow up with the comics, I didn't particularly enjoy any of the previous movies focusing on the seperate superheroes, and their sequels in which I lost interest. It's not a genre I enjoy watching but with current hollywood trends is hard to avoid. I do however like some of the scores and themes and given the opportunity for big action writing, the Avengers scores don't disappoint.

It was interesting to hear two composers whose styles I feel I am familiar with go at it for this movie, and I hope they got paid by the amount of percussion and repeating notes. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 26, 2015 - 5:11 PM   
 By:   JamesSouthall   (Member)

My review of the album, if anyone's interested:

http://www.movie-wave.net/avengers-age-of-ultron/

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2015 - 12:43 AM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

My review of the album, if anyone's interested:

http://www.movie-wave.net/avengers-age-of-ultron/


Nice review.
You obviously read my posts smile

There is also a snippet of original Silvestri music in the ending of " Uprising".
And "Heroes" already is a full movement with Elfman's theme, similar to the end credits.
It also features trademarks by Elfman already, in contrast to when you made then out, the broken chords in the strings which rise and all with quickly repeated notes.

Anyway, I don't agree that there is no new strong theme here.
Elfman's new Avengers theme is ALL over the place in his cues, everywhere.
And it is a long memorable and catchy tune, the first thing you hear in "Heroes" after the
accompaniment is established.
I wonder how you can miss that.

I agree to your thoughts considering the composer situation, really bizzare.
Elfman saves the day.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2015 - 4:02 AM   
 By:   12-Mile Reef   (Member)


You obviously read my posts smile


Or he listened to both albums...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2015 - 4:16 AM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)


You obviously read my posts smile


Or he listened to both albums...


Both, which ones do you mean?
Avengers I and II?
Thor 2 and Iron Man 2.

you are probably right.
I thought so because not only are (almost) all thematic snippets mentioned but also the similarity to Pirates of the Caribbean 3. And that Ulron-idea which is quite elusive.

Then, Elfman's new theme is not noticed, but instead a lack of a new theme, which IMO
is missing the mark.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2015 - 6:30 AM   
 By:   DannyBiker   (Member)

Yeah, I think James completely missed the Elfman theme and probably thinks it's a fanfare introduction to Silvestri's...

In "Heroes," the Elfman theme goes from 0:14 to 0:34 after which it morphs into Silvestri's. At 1:32, you can hear both blend into each other...

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2015 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   Max Bellochio   (Member)

Am I hearing things or is Bear's SHIELD theme in "Breaking and Entering"?

Haven't seen the film and I don't watch SHIELD, but one or more characters from the television series have cameos in the film so I wouldn't be surprised.


Yeah, I just saw the movie. Unless it was a case of blink and you'll miss them, I don't remember seeing any Agents of Shield personnel in Age of Ultron.

BTW, a snippet of Elfman's "theme" replaces Tyler's Marvel fanfare and logo at the beginning of the picture.

MaxB

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2015 - 7:03 AM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

Yeah, I think James completely missed the Elfman theme and probably thinks it's a fanfare introduction to Silvestri's...

In "Heroes," the Elfman theme goes from 0:14 to 0:34 after which it morphs into Silvestri's. At 1:32, you can hear both blend into each other...


maybe try to count all the seconds Elfman's theme appears on the soundtrack and compare
it to the number of seconds the Avengers signal appears, or every other theme....

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2015 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

It`s interesting how much Whedon always praises the composer and his music in the soundtrack liner notes (he wrote some of the most composer praising liner notes on the soundtrack albums of Serenity and The Avengers) and then for his next project he always uses a different composer.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2015 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   Toutred20   (Member)

If anyone has seen the movie and knows the track order could you please tell us?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2015 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   KeoNato   (Member)

It`s interesting how much Whedon always praises the composer and his music in the soundtrack liner notes (he wrote some of the most composer praising liner notes on the soundtrack albums of Serenity and The Avengers) and then for his next project he always uses a different composer.

To be fair, he may be looking for a certain sound or style for each movie and knows that a certain composer can give him what he wants. While I value continuity and loyalty, he has to do what it takes to get him the best final product in the end.

Also -- would anyone else be surprised if Tyler comes back/is asked back for another Marvel movie?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2015 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

It`s interesting how much Whedon always praises the composer and his music in the soundtrack liner notes (he wrote some of the most composer praising liner notes on the soundtrack albums of Serenity and The Avengers) and then for his next project he always uses a different composer.

To be fair, he may be looking for a certain sound or style for each movie and knows that a certain composer can give him what he wants. While I value continuity and loyalty, he has to do what it takes to get him the best final product in the end.

Also -- would anyone else be surprised if Tyler comes back/is asked back for another Marvel movie?


It could be that Tyler was rather a favourite by Kevin Feige and his first choice, and maybe
he convinced Whedon.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2015 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   JamesSouthall   (Member)

My review of the album, if anyone's interested:

http://www.movie-wave.net/avengers-age-of-ultron/


Nice review.
You obviously read my posts smile

There is also a snippet of original Silvestri music in the ending of " Uprising".
And "Heroes" already is a full movement with Elfman's theme, similar to the end credits.
It also features trademarks by Elfman already, in contrast to when you made then out, the broken chords in the strings which rise and all with quickly repeated notes.

Anyway, I don't agree that there is no new strong theme here.
Elfman's new Avengers theme is ALL over the place in his cues, everywhere.
And it is a long memorable and catchy tune, the first thing you hear in "Heroes" after the
accompaniment is established.
I wonder how you can miss that.

I agree to your thoughts considering the composer situation, really bizzare.
Elfman saves the day.


To be honest that theme is so closely related to Silvestri I considered it more like an extension of his adaptation rather than a "new" theme.

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2015 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   emusician   (Member)

This thing is supposed to be available tomorrow in the US via digital download right? Haven't seen anything listed on iTunes (yet)...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2015 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)



To be honest that theme is so closely related to Silvestri I considered it more like an extension of his adaptation rather than a "new" theme.


I understand, probably because you are so familiar with Silvestri's theme.
Or those four notes of it.
Without being preoccupied by that, maybe that would be different.

I really think this Elfman theme, also with that interpolation of Silvestri's iconic
theme, is strong and brillantly done.
In particular considering the rather mediocre landscape of nowadays thematic writing,
in terms of serving the dramatic development the new theme also works great, similar concept to Silvestri's in the first film.

The mix is terrible btw, most of the action cues buried in sound effects, worse than usual.
And there is so much music tracked. Which is awkward, because those music was connected to
special scenes in the first one, capturing the emotions there.
Here different emotions would have been necessary.
And obviously for Whedon it is not singular how the pictures and the music are married,
just interchangeable.

 
 Posted:   Apr 27, 2015 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   Max Bellochio   (Member)

And to boot, the most memorable music that stood out in the initial action sequence was the user of Silvestri's "Black Widow" theme. All in all, Silvestri is well represented in this film.

I think ultimately, with Tyler's back-end deal and Elfman's fee for "saving the day" they probably would have saved money by trying to get Silvestri again to avoid the multiple composer mess.

Very
MaxB

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2015 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   Smaug   (Member)

Am I alone in thinking that the Marvel movies, including this one, have generally not had great music? There doesn't seem to be much continuity - thematic or otherwise and it seems you could have gotten basically any composer working today to give you this kind of music.

I know it's challenging, but look at Harry Potter as an example. It kind of fell off the rails but it still maintained its own flavor. I guess I'm disappointed that at this point, like 10 movies in, there is no "Marvel" sound and no distinct theme (memorable theme) for any character.

Seems a big missed opportunity.

 
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