Film Score Monthly
FSM HOME MESSAGE BOARD FSM CDs FSM ONLINE RESOURCES FUN STUFF ABOUT US  SEARCH FSM   
Search Terms: 
Search Within:   search tips 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2014 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

Not that Julie Andrews wouldn't have, infinitely, helped MY FAIR LADY, but what it really needed, was a much better director. Someone who knew they were directing a widescreen musical motion picture in the 1960s, not a staid drawing room comedy, from the 1930s.

I thought Cukor did an admirable job with widescreen in A STAR IS BORN. Plus he won the Oscar for directing MFL.

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2014 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

THE ENGLISH PATIENT won an Oscar for Best Picture. Did you find it the best anything? I think MFL is one of the worst-directed films ever made. If you like it, fine.

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2014 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Mark R. Y.   (Member)

If I were casting the film back then, my cast would have been:

Dolly - Anne Bancroft
Horace - Eddie Albert
Cornelius - Grover Dale
Irene - Patty Duke
Barnaby - Danny Lockin
Minnie - Goldie Hawn


I like these casting ideas very much. Dale was in HALF A SIXPENCE a year or two earlier and I can "see" him as a good Cornelius. I'm curious though why you have a MIRACLE WORKER reunion here.

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2014 - 4:19 PM   
 By:   gsteven   (Member)

Well....If we are recasting (my favorite sport), here goes:

Dolly - Bea Arthur
Horace - Sid Caesar
Cornelius - Bobby Rydell
Irene - Lainie Kazan
Barnaby - Timmy Everett
Minnie - Lesley Ann Warren
Ambrose - Paul Wallace

 
 Posted:   May 17, 2014 - 5:04 PM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

If I were casting the film back then, my cast would have been:

Dolly - Anne Bancroft
Horace - Eddie Albert
Cornelius - Grover Dale
Irene - Patty Duke
Barnaby - Danny Lockin
Minnie - Goldie Hawn


I like these casting ideas very much. Dale was in HALF A SIXPENCE a year or two earlier and I can "see" him as a good Cornelius. I'm curious though why you have a MIRACLE WORKER reunion here.



Because I think it would have been a great cast.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 1:07 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Mark: Re: If I were casting the film back then, my cast would have been:

Dolly - Anne Bancroft
Horace - Eddie Albert
Cornelius - Grover Dale
Irene - Patty Duke
Barnaby - Danny Lockin
Minnie - Goldie Hawn


I like these casting ideas very much. Dale was in HALF A SIXPENCE a year or two earlier and I can "see" him as a good Cornelius. I'm curious though why you have a MIRACLE WORKER reunion here.


Mark: I just saw this from 5-17, which had slipped past me. What a bizarre group! Could Anne Bancroft sing? Or Eddie Albert? I'm glad you've kept the wonderful (but long gone) Danny Lockin as Barnaby. As for Cornelius, anybody but Michael Crawford!!! I saw Grover Dale in "Half A Sixpence" and you probably know that he was James Badge Dale's father -- JBD starred in the short-lived "Rubicon," and the next year played Michael Fassbender's boss in the wild "Shame," and, earlier, was in "The Pacific." Born 5-1-78 in NYC, he should be with us for a while.

Would still love to see a complete "Dolly" film score! And it's an interesting point about the music being recorded twice -- I remember watching the credits and being amazed at the credits for the arrangements, which seemed to go on and on and on. Someone will bring out the discarded version one of these days, probably after WE'RE gone!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 4:12 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Mark: Re: If I were casting the film back then, my cast would have been:

Dolly - Anne Bancroft
Horace - Eddie Albert
Cornelius - Grover Dale
Irene - Patty Duke
Barnaby - Danny Lockin
Minnie - Goldie Hawn


I like these casting ideas very much. Dale was in HALF A SIXPENCE a year or two earlier and I can "see" him as a good Cornelius. I'm curious though why you have a MIRACLE WORKER reunion here.


Mark: I just saw this from 5-17, which had slipped past me. What a bizarre group! Could Anne Bancroft sing? Or Eddie Albert? I'm glad you've kept the wonderful (but long gone) Danny Lockin as Barnaby. As for Cornelius, anybody but Michael Crawford!!! I saw Grover Dale in "Half A Sixpence" and you probably know that he was James Badge Dale's father -- JBD starred in the short-lived "Rubicon," and the next year played Michael Fassbender's boss in the wild "Shame," and, earlier, was in "The Pacific." Born 5-1-78 in NYC, he should be with us for a while.

Would still love to see a complete "Dolly" film score! And it's an interesting point about the music being recorded twice -- I remember watching the credits and being amazed at the credits for the arrangements, which seemed to go on and on and on. Someone will bring out the discarded version one of these days, probably after WE'RE gone!



Eddie Albert did sing on the stage, considereatly better than Walter matthau.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 8:39 AM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

Anne Bancroft was definitely a singer. She sings in the film, DON'T BOTHER TO KNOCK, and was the first choice for FUNNY GIRL on Broadway. Eddie appeared in the Broadway musical, THE BOYS FROM SYRACUSE by Rodgers and Hart.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

Anne Bancroft was definitely a singer. She sings in the film, DON'T BOTHER TO KNOCK, and was the first choice for FUNNY GIRL on Broadway. Eddie appeared in the Broadway musical, THE BOYS FROM SYRACUSE by Rodgers and Hart.

And Eddie was Ali Hakim in the movie version of "Oklahoma!" Remember him with Gloria Grahame as Ado Annie? Very funny, but his character didn't sing. Recently I was watching my DVD of "Dress Gray" were he played the disapproving father of a gay son who has been murdered at a military academy, and he would rather the killer get away with it than to reveal that his son had been gay. I understand they're going to make a musical out of it. [Was joking about THAT!]

Follow-up: In the new broadwayworld.com there's a link to an interesting interview with Martin Charnin, with a lot of discussion about his "Annie" and the new movie coming out with a black cast and a lot of new songs. We discover that Charnin was a Jet in the original Broadway production of "West Side Story," that he wrote for a TV review that Anne Bancroft did, that he was allowed to go through some unpublished Richard Rodgers music to fashion 2 new songs for a revival of "Two By Two," and some interesting information about "Bar Mitzvah Boy," a show he did with Jule Styne. (Interestingly, nothing about the first movie of "Annie.") Check it out.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I always assumed Funny Girl was the battering ram that secured for Streisand her role in Dolly? Her Dolly Levi has more facets than meet the eye, IMO. Other than being a brit, Michael Crawford fit the bill more than adequately. He's done very well since, I might add, and didn't drop off the stage thereafter.

To have each of these on 'full' 2-CD compilations (at the least) would be pretty damn neat.

 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2014 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

Anne Bancroft was definitely a singer. She sings in the film, DON'T BOTHER TO KNOCK...

Modestly and without distinction, in my opinion.

I didn't come away thinking, "Wow, Anne Bancroft should have had more singing roles."

And no bigger Anne Bancroft fan there is in this world than yours-truly....

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2014 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Sorry, Anne Bancroft was dubbed in Don't bother to Knock.

 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2014 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

As much as I enjoyed Michael Crawford in "Billie" and loved him in "Phantom," he seemed SO out of place to me in "Dolly," and the exaggerated American accent didn't help.

Incidentally, the number of new songs added to the latest movie version of "Annie" AREN'T from the original writers.

 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2014 - 7:48 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

As much as I enjoyed Michael Crawford in "Billie" and loved him in "Phantom," he seemed SO out of place to me in "Dolly," and the exaggerated American accent didn't help.

The part of Cornelius Hackl is one you don't walk into unless you're in a state of complete and total preparedness. It may seem alright to knock Crawford for not being an american, however, he's part of the connective tissue of that movie. He had to sing, dance and act funny. Any one of those tasks in isolation would have been hard enough in a top-notch song and dance environment. To balance all of them does seem like tempting providence.

Anyway, Crawford has the distinction of performing the lead-in to "Put On Your Sunday Clothes," which must surely rank as a knee-knocking experience if ever there was one. On top of everything else.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2014 - 10:09 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I enjoyed him in Phantom, tolerated him in A Funny Thing...Forum,, but oy, that 'singing voice' as Cornelius...help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=50559&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2014 - 5:36 AM   
 By:   jskoda   (Member)

Eddie Albert did sing on the stage, considerably better than Walter Matthau.

Heck yeah--remember Eddie Albert sang the theme song to GREEN ACRES under the main titles every week!

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2014 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

Eddie Albert did sing on the stage, considerably better than Walter Matthau.

Heck yeah--remember Eddie Albert sang the theme song to GREEN ACRES under the main titles every week!


Awesome point, JS. Thanks for the reminder.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2014 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   PhiladelphiaSon   (Member)

I enjoyed him in Phantom, tolerated him in A Funny Thing...Forum,, but oy, that 'singing voice' as Cornelius...help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=50559&forumID=1&archive=0


The problem with Crawford's Cornelius isn't limited to his singing voice.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2014 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

So why did Gene Kelly go with Crawford at all? I believe it to be down to the point I raised a little earlier. As an actor, he knew what he really needed was a Donald O'Connor for that part. But he wasn't going to be able to get O'Connor. As a director he needed to make in informed choice at the time and the place. Forgive me if I'm wrong.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2014 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   Mike_H   (Member)

Geez, am I the only one who adores Crawford in this? I also liked Dance of the Vampires too, so what do I know! wink

 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
© 2014 Film Score Monthly. All Rights Reserved.