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Jan 13, 2015 - 7:16 AM
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Jim Phelps
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In the mid-80s, two deaths (one as inevitable as a Greek tragedy, the other not originally intended but over-ruled and ordered by the-then Editor-in-Tall-Chief) rocked the Marvel Universe as nothing else had before or, arguably, since (even the overwhelming media hoopla re the supposed 'death' of Supes proved nothing more than an extremely premeditated orchestration of audience manipulation - and financial pilfering).
Our question is: which do you believe had the greatest influential impact?
For us, twas unmistakably Frank Miller's brave and bold (wink unflinching adherence to the dramatic arc he intuitively felt and knew had to be - as courageous a creative decision heretofore unknown but which remains an utterly unique legacy all its own ...
I meant to answer this but got sidetracked by the usual crap around here. 
For me, the death of Jean Grey was devastating. I was pretty young when i read it and in comparing it to that "other" Major Death Event of the time, Elektra, well, I felt nothing for Elektra or the alleged emotional weight of that storyline even if it is good reading (and I think the world of Miller's run on that title, though not because he made me feel sorrow over Elektra's demise)
As for Jean Grey's death, we as X-Men readers had a years-long bond with Jean in her various incarnations and to see her slowly overwhelmed by forces beyond her and any human control month after month was so sad, so when it came to issue #137, it was a crushing blow to see someone who was essentially a member of the surrogate family die. The X-Men were a family by choice and that alone makes them a more intimate grouping than the people I was randomly thrown into by fate and biological circumstances. But that's just my experience. Mileage may vary for yous guys and gals.
Thankfully, I never read any subsequent ret-conned stories so it is the Claremont-Byrne-Austin arc that I acknowledge as gospel.
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Jan 16, 2015 - 9:33 AM
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Gary S.
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In the mid-80s, two deaths (one as inevitable as a Greek tragedy, the other not originally intended but over-ruled and ordered by the-then Editor-in-Tall-Chief) rocked the Marvel Universe as nothing else had before or, arguably, since (even the overwhelming media hoopla re the supposed 'death' of Supes proved nothing more than an extremely premeditated orchestration of audience manipulation - and financial pilfering).
Our question is: which do you believe had the greatest influential impact?
For us, twas unmistakably Frank Miller's brave and bold (wink unflinching adherence to the dramatic arc he intuitively felt and knew had to be - as courageous a creative decision heretofore unknown but which remains an utterly unique legacy all its own ...
I meant to answer this but got sidetracked by the usual crap around here.
For me, the death of Jean Grey was devastating. I was pretty young when i read it and in comparing it to that "other" Major Death Event of the time, Elektra, well, I felt nothing for Elektra or the alleged emotional weight of that storyline even if it is good reading (and I think the world of Miller's run on that title, though not because he made me feel sorrow over Elektra's demise)
As for Jean Grey's death, we as X-Men readers had a years-long bond with Jean in her various incarnations and to see her slowly overwhelmed by forces beyond her and any human control month after month was so sad, so when it came to issue #137, it was a crushing blow to see someone who was essentially a member of the surrogate family die. The X-Men were a family by choice and that alone makes them a more intimate grouping than the people I was randomly thrown into by fate and biological circumstances. But that's just my experience. Mileage may vary for yous guys and gals.
Thankfully, I never read any subsequent ret-conned stories so it is the Claremont-Byrne-Austin arc that I acknowledge as gospel.
The Death of Jean Grey brings back memories of DC killing of Ferro Lad in Legion of Superheroes, he was not a member of the group long but his death still resonates with me all these years later.
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And whilst we also agree the Claremont-Bryne-Austin run 
Stan and Jack's original run in artistically-seeding
Gil Kane, 
