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I'm wondering now if the FSM Under Fire is complete...I sure liked what I heard! 
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If you go to the FSM page for any of their releases they usually go into full detail about completeness:
http://filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/398/Under-Fire/
Quoting the relevant portion:
"Adding to Under Fire’s prestige is the fact that the album, produced by Goldsmith with longtime recording engineer Bruce Botnick, was specially devised to showcase the score as a musical work unto itself. Goldsmith wrote two standalone selections for the record (tracks 1 and 7) and after completing the recording sessions in London decided to record additional overlays and linking material in Los Angeles. The record came out so well that many of the album mixes were retroactively dubbed into the film itself.
Although the record does leave off some notable cues—such as the brief, low-key main title and the equivalent film version of “Bajo Fuego,” no masters could be located anywhere, not even in archival sound, to expand the album. (We hope collectors don’t “revolt”—ha ha.) This release features the U.S. CD debut of Goldsmith’s outstanding Under Fire soundtrack album so as to put this superlative work back into circulation at an affordable price. (Existing CDs from Warner Bros. Records in Japan and Germany fetch import prices at best.) The two-track 1/2” album masters have been newly mastered for this edition, and definitive liner notes are provided by Jeff Bond and Al Kaplan featuring archival interview comments by Goldsmith, new remarks by engineer Botnick, and a breakdown of all the film cues combined for the album tracks."
This is one of Goldsmith's most recent scores to be confirmed lost in complete form. Here's a list I made trying to collect all the ones we know are lost:
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=111632&forumID=1&archive=0
A couple years ago (after FSM's release) there was an early revelation from Nick Redman or Bruce Botnick that the full score had indeed finally been located and was going to be premiered on a Twilight Time isolated score track...sadly it turned out it was mislabeled and was only the complete music & effects track. Sadly, that track contained so many effects (engine sounds, gunshots, etc.) that it wasn't really salvageable for album purposes.
This is one of Goldsmith's best scores and you should absolutely get it, even if just the LP program. Just be prepared for some synths mixed in with the orchestra.
Yavar
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If you go to the FSM page for any of their releases they usually go into full detail about completeness:
http://filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/398/Under-Fire/
Quoting the relevant portion:
"Adding to Under Fire’s prestige is the fact that the album, produced by Goldsmith with longtime recording engineer Bruce Botnick, was specially devised to showcase the score as a musical work unto itself. Goldsmith wrote two standalone selections for the record (tracks 1 and 7) and after completing the recording sessions in London decided to record additional overlays and linking material in Los Angeles. The record came out so well that many of the album mixes were retroactively dubbed into the film itself.
Although the record does leave off some notable cues—such as the brief, low-key main title and the equivalent film version of “Bajo Fuego,” no masters could be located anywhere, not even in archival sound, to expand the album. (We hope collectors don’t “revolt”—ha ha.) This release features the U.S. CD debut of Goldsmith’s outstanding Under Fire soundtrack album so as to put this superlative work back into circulation at an affordable price. (Existing CDs from Warner Bros. Records in Japan and Germany fetch import prices at best.) The two-track 1/2” album masters have been newly mastered for this edition, and definitive liner notes are provided by Jeff Bond and Al Kaplan featuring archival interview comments by Goldsmith, new remarks by engineer Botnick, and a breakdown of all the film cues combined for the album tracks."
This is one of Goldsmith's most recent scores to be confirmed lost in complete form. Here's a list I made trying to collect all the ones we know are lost:
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=111632&forumID=1&archive=0
A couple years ago (after FSM's release) there was an early revelation from Nick Redman or Bruce Botnick that the full score had indeed finally been located and was going to be premiered on a Twilight Time isolated score track...sadly it turned out it was mislabeled and was only the complete music & effects track. Sadly, that track contained so many effects (engine sounds, gunshots, etc.) that it wasn't really salvageable for album purposes.
This is one of Goldsmith's best scores and you should absolutely get it, even if just the LP program. Just be prepared for some synths mixed in with the orchestra.
Yavar
That is a super interesting link! Yes, I think I'll grab both Under Fire and Damien for maestro Jerry this week. From what I heard of UF, it's not entirely unlike Total Recall and Lionheart in that it seems often to take more a flavor added than an all occupying role. I listened to youtube Hoosiers over and over again and just couldn't stop being irritated every time the synths came up (and BOY were they mixed loud). That one just isn't making it for me. But who knows, with time and a bit more exposure to the score....
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Forgot you did that -- thanks Justin!
I'm still wondering about this bit: "though Bruce Botnick does add a clue to the multi-tracks potential whereabouts."
Here's hoping it shows up some day.
Yavar
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Forgot you did that -- thanks Justin!
I'm still wondering about this bit: "though Bruce Botnick does add a clue to the multi-tracks potential whereabouts."
Here's hoping it shows up some day.
Yavar
Now I wish I knew what Justin wrote? Someone must not like me.
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Only semi-active, but yeah it's pretty cool it exists. I post there sometimes.
Yavar
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Only semi-active, but yeah it's pretty cool it exists. I post there sometimes.
Yavar
Unfortunately that goes for the Rozsa and Herrmann forums as well. The Rozsa is more active though, lots of good people on that forum (Herrmann too of course).
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I've been quite remiss in updating this thread...
Since the last time I did, we've had one new recording and three important remasters get announced!
Intrada has given us a remixed and remastered Rambo III and Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend from the original multitracks! This is particularly significant for Baby because there were some tracks affected by an anomaly in the tapes used for their previous release which resulted in these cues being slower than they were supposed to be as recorded.
LLL has *just* announced a Jerry Fox western twofer, part of which is a bonus of a straight reissue of the very limited and quickly OOP super Kritzerland remaster of Rio Conchos...but the main attraction is a newly "restored, remixed, and remastered" version of 100 Rifles...for my money the Goldsmith album most direly in need of it! (Well, there's Seconds...but that was from stems and probably can't sound any better). I can't wait to hear this restoration.
And last but certainly not least, Tadlow has graced us with a second volume of Jerry's music for Thriller. I don't have my copy yet but my Goldsmith Odyssey cohost Jens tells me it's even better than their first!
Yavar
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a newly "restored, remixed, and remastered" version of 100 Rifles...for my money the Goldsmith album most direly in need of it! (Well, there's Seconds...but that was from stems and probably can't sound any better). I can't wait to hear this restoration.
Yavar
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, ya shoulda held off a little longer on buying the FSM release I guess, WagnerAlmighty! I did warn that LLL was working on it. Still the FSM has great liner notes which may not be carried over, so not a total loss.
Yavar
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That's a pretty different case since the Intrada is a brand new/distinct recording with the LSO. It'd be more akin to buying both the Kritzerland and FSM issues of Rio Conchos.
Yavar
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That's a pretty different case since the Intrada is a brand new/distinct recording with the LSO. It'd be more akin to buying both the Kritzerland and FSM issues of Rio Conchos.
Yavar
Sooo...how IS the FSM reissue hmmm? 
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Far inferior sound to the Kritzerland because it was many years earlier (it wasn't a "reissue" -- it was the first issue of the original film recording and the Kritzerland was the first reissue) and the same restoration tools were not available. Also the cover is not as good as Kritz's (or now, LLL's). BUT I suspect the liner notes will never be beat.
Yavar
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Far inferior sound to the Kritzerland because it was many years earlier (it wasn't a "reissue" -- it was the first issue of the original film recording and the Kritzerland was the first reissue) and the same restoration tools were not available. Also the cover is not as good as Kritz's (or now, LLL's). BUT I suspect the liner notes will never be beat.
Yavar
The Kritzerland RC is what got me into the score in the first place. It's awfully nice having the rerecording too.
Anyhoo, I'm cuckoo over the 100 Rifles score and psyched about this next release.
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The Kritzerland RC is what got me into the score in the first place. It's awfully nice having the rerecording too.
Between the Kritzerland and the LSO re-recording on Intrada, ou've got all you need for the score musically speaking, to be honest. Only reason to pick up the FSM (if it's cheap) is their excellent liner notes, if you're like me and care about that sort of thing.
Yavar
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From Jeremy Moniz on FB, in the new Varese Club thread: "From what I understand,
Varèse no longer controls LEVIATHAN... it’s in other hands now"
I wrote back, "Where'd you get the info re: Varese no longer controlling Leviathan? Is it pretty reliable? Varese started getting perpetuity rights at some point in 1989 and Leviathan was 1989 so it's right on the cusp. I would've thought one of the other labels wouldn't released it complete by now if so (unless tapes went missing)..."
And Jeremy replied, "Yes, That info came from Varèse directly. They recently made a post celebrating water based films and I made a comment that they forgot to include LEVIATHAN.
Their reply stated LEVIATHAN was in other hands now."
Based on this, I'm updating the first post to reflect that Varese no longer has the rights to Leviathan. Maybe the "other hands" comment indicates that another label is actually working on a complete release (though it's also possible the "other hands" are just the original rights holder).
Yavar
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