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 Posted:   Jul 7, 2015 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Of course all of that is quite true, but every time an older Columbia/Sony score turns out to have surviving elements, it gives me just a little more hope that other ones survive in some form as well. Same with UA pictures, most of which are lost, but occasionally there's a ray of sunshine and something like The World of Henry Orient survives.

It's just that I had previously written off Face of a Fugitive as lost, and now I've got a little more hope. smile

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2015 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

It's just that I had previously written off Face of a Fugitive as lost, and now I've got a little more hope. smile

Hope is dangerous. It leads to disappointment.

(I'm kidding! Sorta.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 18, 2015 - 5:35 PM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

Looks like a new release of Chain Reaction is coming (per d2 Mastering's Client page: http://d2mastering.com/).

This is probably a Varese in perpetuity release, so I'm guessing this'll be in the next club batch?

Chris.

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2015 - 6:32 PM   
 By:   MutualRevolver   (Member)

And now it looks like the information was pulled from d2's page. Wonder what the other Club titles will be...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

Looks like a new release of Chain Reaction is coming (per d2 Mastering's Client page: http://d2mastering.com/).

This is probably a Varese in perpetuity release, so I'm guessing this'll be in the next club batch?

Chris.


Must admit that from the Varese titles Chain Reaction isn't that high on my wishlist, but I'll definitely buy it. Maybe the score plays better in expanded form

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2015 - 4:57 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I'm looking forward to Chain Reaction, which will definitely play better in expanded form. (Maybe not complete form -- it may be one like Star Trek: Nemesis, where some pruning can make an excellent score shine in its best light. But I'd rather have the option to do the pruning myself rather than have someone else make decisions about what's best to include.)

Also, it seems about 99% certain that one of Intrada's next releases will be an expanded Secret of NIMH. Unfortunately there will only be one added cue and some alternate vocals, but that's all that could be found and it's much better than just a straight reissue! I'm also looking forward to the improved sound.

Now about those missing 10 minutes or so of NIMH, if James Fitzpatrick wanted to record them in a "NIMH suite" and stick them on a future Goldsmith re-recording as a bonus, well, that would make me a very happy man!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Aug 18, 2015 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Yavar, here's the final tally for "Police Story": Goldsmith is credited for 17 episode scores on the series. It's mainly in season one.

My personal listing (completed today) including the TV movies:

http://tvscoring.150m.com/PoliceStory.html

 
 Posted:   Aug 18, 2015 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I'm looking forward to Chain Reaction, which will definitely play better in expanded form. (Maybe not complete form -- it may be one like Star Trek: Nemesis, where some pruning can make an excellent score shine in its best light. But I'd rather have the option to do the pruning myself rather than have someone else make decisions about what's best to include.)

Also, it seems about 99% certain that one of Intrada's next releases will be an expanded Secret of NIMH. Unfortunately there will only be one added cue and some alternate vocals, but that's all that could be found and it's much better than just a straight reissue! I'm also looking forward to the improved sound.

Now about those missing 10 minutes or so of NIMH, if James Fitzpatrick wanted to record them in a "NIMH suite" and stick them on a future Goldsmith re-recording as a bonus, well, that would make me a very happy man!

Yavar


Intrada gave us what they could after an extensive search. Sadly I guess NIMH will have to remain on the list of "scores that need to be expanded". Though it's likely, the book is closed on this one.

 
 Posted:   Aug 18, 2015 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

Yavar, here's the final tally for "Police Story": Goldsmith is credited for 17 episode scores on the series. It's mainly in season one.


It's my understanding that Goldsmith only did the pilot TV movie of Police Story. Episode credits are derived from the use of his music by the music editor, and by some re-recording of his cues to fit other episodes. But he was only involved personally with the pilot.

 
 Posted:   Aug 18, 2015 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

All I can tell you is what it says on screen, though. IF that were the case, it does make one wonder why episodes not in the first season, had that kind of score fit in, when they had regular contributing composers.

But eventually when I get the time, I do plan I watching all of them (Goldsmith scored ones) and noting the score, so eventually I'll be able to come here and let everybody know what I find.

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2015 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I still need to update the NIMH entry (though I'll leave it on the incomplete list because of the 9 minutes still missing which *might* turn up some day). I did however want to bump this thread for Intrada's new release from the original recording session tapes of the Stagecoach LP recording (conducted by Alexander Courage). This has only been on CD once before from Mainstream themselves, and I believe it was a poor vinyl rip. Intrada's new album is supposed to sound much better than the LP itself, and I suspect people will be reassessing this recording in the light of better sound quality / fixed mix. I always thought Lukas was a little harsh on it in the liner notes for his first issue of the film recording on the Film Score Monthly label. I'm glad that LLL's reissue/remaster of the film tracks did not preclude Intrada releasing a superior version of the LP recording, since LLL chose not to include it on their album.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2015 - 11:50 PM   
 By:   kaseykockroach   (Member)

Any chance anyone knows just how much is missing with Small Soldiers (that is to say, just how long the complete score really is)? I've seen more than one person say it's a 90-minute score, but I don't recall hearing nearly that much in the film.
I'm really happy that just about all of the Dante/Goldsmith collaborations have been released. I'd love Small Soldiers someday, but for now, I'm happy that the best of the bunch have been put out.

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2015 - 12:36 AM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

Any chance anyone knows just how much is missing with Small Soldiers (that is to say, just how long the complete score really is)? I've seen more than one person say it's a 90-minute score, but I don't recall hearing nearly that much in the film.

Going by the film itself, the score was about 66 minutes, meaning about 35 minutes were unreleased.

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2015 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

ST;TMP is still missing some blaster beam tests

 
 Posted:   Sep 3, 2015 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Since we are already so lucky to have gotten Gremlins 2 complete from Varese, a complete Small Soldiers would be wonderful, but for me there is one Goldsmith/Dante collaboration that would be even more wonderful to have in complete form.

Sorry Matinee fans (and I do like that score quite a bit) -- I'm talking about the brilliant, zany, fun, creative, and hugely energetic Looney Tunes: Back in Action. The score in every way showed that Jerry was still at the top of the game, and he wrote it when he was dying of cancer.

Every time I listen to it I like it and admire it more and more. But the album, the album is a mess. Its dramatic/story arc is practically nonexistent. And ideally John Debney wouldn't have had to come in and score the climax of the movie, but since he did, his music needs to be on the album for it to have a correct flow. C'mon Varese -- give us this great score in complete form!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Oct 9, 2015 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

WOW! Quartet steps up to the plate with no warning and delivers a definitive release of one of Goldsmith's most famous and beloved scores. I'd written:

"Basic Instinct (Varese/Prometheus) -- For some reason Varese must not have gotten rights to this in perpetuity, as Prometheus was able to release an expanded version. Not sure how much better this could be done by LLL or Intrada (they'd probably put in the film version of the finale cue that everyone seems to want out--except for Goldsmith himself, who prevented it from being on the Prometheus much as he did for the film version of the finale from The Challenge) but I wager at least the liner notes could be improved."

I've long wondered if Varese somehow had domestic-only perpetuity rights on this high-profile title, because I otherwise would have expected Intrada or LLL to grab it. That would explain why only Prometheus and Quartet, not based in the U.S., could do expanded versions.

Speculation aside, this looks like a great, definitive release and I'm happy that I'll be able to retire my Prometheus. Very cool that Bruce Botnick was involved (and interesting that he remixed and remastered his original album too). With Neil at the helm as well we all know this closes the book on this famous score:
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=112146&forumID=1&archive=0

Stay tuned this coming Monday for very-likely announcements of Chain Reaction: The Deluxe Edition from Varese and a remastered and slightly expanded In Harm's Way from Intrada...in Goldsmith land, it never rains but it pours!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2015 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I have just updated the first post, removing Chain Reaction from the Varese in-perpetuity list (their new Deluxe Edition, while absent of any alternates, should be the complete score or very close to it) and modifying the entries for Secret of NIMH and In Harm's Way to reflect their recent (slight) expansions from Intrada. I also changed the opening paragraph to reflect 2015 releases as the last time I'd updated it was in 2014.

All told, we've now had 2 fairly straight remastered reissues (Stagecoach LP recording and Capricorn One, though the latter did include one previously-unreleased alternate) and no less than TEN expansions, though four of them were fairly slight expansions. We even got the original Goldsmith-conducted recording of his Judge Dredd trailer score! It's truly an abundance of riches for Goldsmith fans and I wonder what more may come out in the next couple of months before 2015 draws to a close...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2015 - 4:57 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Any chance anyone knows just how much is missing with Small Soldiers (that is to say, just how long the complete score really is)? I've seen more than one person say it's a 90-minute score, but I don't recall hearing nearly that much in the film.
I'm really happy that just about all of the Dante/Goldsmith collaborations have been released. I'd love Small Soldiers someday, but for now, I'm happy that the best of the bunch have been put out.



"SMALL SOLDIERS" is the expanded edition I wanted the most, however I will take any Goldsmith- Really??

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2015 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

We now know that Intrada will have four more titles this year, announced in early December, and LLL today posted the following about their Black Friday titles (which are almost always their final releases of the year as well):
LLLCD 1333 - 2 CD SET - 3000 units -- $24.98
LLLCD 1350 - 2 CD SET - 5000 units -- $29.98
LLLCD 1374 - 2 CD SET - 5000 units -- $24.98
LLLCD 1375 - 2 CD SET - 3000 units -- $29.98
LLLCD 1378 - 1 CD - 2000 units -- $19.98

The first title is almost certainly Dmitri Tiomkin's Giant, and it seems unlikely that any remaining unexpanded Goldsmith titles available to LLL would be worth 5000 unit runs, so that leaves the last two as being potential Goldsmith releases IMO.

I think the 2000 unit single CD might be most likely as a remastered reissue of a score that's already complete, similar to LLL's Stagecoach/The Loner or Rio Lobo reissues which were great improvements over the previous editions. My hope is 100 Rifles because it's an awesome score with pretty disappointing sound in its previous FSM issue, though I'd also jump at Take a Hard Ride. After hearing Kritzerland's brilliant new Rio Conchos issue I'm so excited to hear what Michael Mattesino and modern technology can do to improve the sound on other great Goldsmith westerns.

That said, it could also be a Goldsmith expansion (High Velocity would be my hope) or even a premiere if, say, tapes were located for The Man (being a short and fairly obscure score would explain the 2000 copies limit even if it's a premiere).

Intrada has been far outpacing LLL when it comes to Goldsmith this year, with 8 Goldsmith titles from them (9 if you include his original trailer music to Judge Dredd) compared with LLL's single title, a very slight but still welcome expansion of Magic. It seems too much to expect one of Intrada's final four titles will be a Goldsmith, because they've been so generous with his releases this year, but I'm still hoping for it of course. Maybe Powder, the last Hollywood Records album of his they have yet to expand.

It does seem like Varese is done for the year after generously giving us a complete Chain Reaction and Gremlins 2, but I wonder if there is any other label which might surprise us with a Goldsmith announcement before the end of the year, as Quartet did last year with King Solomon's Mines late in December. There's still a lot of his early TV music which could be released, for example!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2015 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Time for another update.

All of my speculation was for naught (surprise surprise), since clues for Intrada's imminent releases don't point towards Goldsmith and as LLL has announced their final five titles for the year -- and while great titles all (Braveheart? Dances With Wolves???) there was no Goldsmith among them. However, Amer recently started this thread asking if there would be any new Goldsmith soon:
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=112899&forumID=1&archive=0

Mike Mattessino himself replied in the thread with the following: "I worked on one that should be coming early 2016."

This is very likely one of the three LLL titles that could have come out before the end of this year, but which they decided to push into early next year. (I suppose there's also a decent chance it could be an Intrada release, or even another surprise Varese expansion.) This is GREAT news!

Additonally, near the end of the thread user RoryR seems to have some inside information and posted the following riddle:
"It's not new, but it is. It's not an expansion, but it is expansive in a way. It's something Goldsmith, one of the best of Goldsmith, and it's coming, coming soon. I can't say any more."

I thought this sounded like the upcoming February (?) release of the new Blue Max recording from Tadlow, but Rory replied, "NO! Can't say more, can't say exactly when, just... soon." Exciting!

It does seem as if our last hope for a Goldsmith release before Christmas is probably Quartet, as it may be one of these titles they described: "3 and 4 – The Christmas batch: Only two this years, but what a duo!. Ultimate releases with two of the most beloved composers. Both are a 2CD editions, and will be announced on December 14."

For a 2-CD Goldsmith edition from them, my best guess is a new release of The Swarm, with the original LP program (very popular but unreleased on CD) comprising the second disc. But of course it may not be Goldsmith at all.

Yavar

 
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