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 Posted:   Aug 19, 2016 - 12:42 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

Coming late to this thread now, I'm a bit surprised (though not entirely) to find no mention of the recent passing of Darwyn Cooke; I suspect his DC work came years after the era most posters here know best. I must confess I'm only just know starting to become aware of his work myself, just about the same time he left us, but he did some wonderful stuff for DC in the last decade-and-a-half or so, after starting in the '90s with DC's television animation of that time. His work is stylized, both retro and fresh, and seems to have come as a welcome relief after the previously-discussed excesses and grotesqueries that afflicted so many comics in the '90s; I wish I'd come across his work earlier. Anyway, he passed away in May after a battle with cancer, at a far-too-young 53. What I've seen so far of his stuff is well worth checking out.

Yeah, Darwyn Cooke's work was fantastic. I first discovered his work with Justice League: The New Frontier. An amazing series, and it remains my favorite of his work. There is still a lot of his work I need to discover. I have heard great things about his adaptations of the Parker series. That wasn't published by DC, so I guess that is off topic.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2016 - 5:52 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)


Great cover! I always enjoy Tom Mandrake's work. My favorite of his was the Spectre series from the '90s that he did with John Ostrander. Easily my favorite take on the character, although the Michael Fleisher and Jim Aparo stories from the '70s are a lot of fun too. Nobody dispensed brutal poetic justice like that team.


Doug Moench had a run on The Spectre that interests me, as I've never read it. It precedes the Ostrander run you mention. The late '80s was pretty much my "dark ages" of comics--with exceptions. Have you read any of the Moench Spectre stories? Here's a retrospective:

https://nothingbutcomics.net/2014/09/25/dcs-post-crisis-rebirth-doug-moenchs-spectre/

Speaking of Jim Aparo, I've also gone on a "Brave and the Bold"-comics-reading bender lately and it was his work there that made him one of my favorite Batman artists. In fact, Jim Aparo is always the first artist I think of whenever I recall various Batman artists.

JLA #200 featured a well-rendered battle between Aquaman and Red Tornado--whom I always saw as the DC equivalent of The Vision. Fun book and one I'm pleased to finally have gotten after all these years.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2016 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

Doug Moench had a run on The Spectre that interests me, as I've never read it. It precedes the Ostrander run you mention. The late '80s was pretty much my "dark ages" of comics--with exceptions. Have you read any of the Moench Spectre stories? Here's a retrospective:

https://nothingbutcomics.net/2014/09/25/dcs-post-crisis-rebirth-doug-moenchs-spectre/

Speaking of Jim Aparo, I've also gone on a "Brave and the Bold"-comics-reading bender lately and it was his work there that made him one of my favorite Batman artists. In fact, Jim Aparo is always the first artist I think of whenever I recall various Batman artists.

JLA #200 featured a well-rendered battle between Aquaman and Red Tornado--whom I always saw as the DC equivalent of The Vision. Fun book and one I'm pleased to finally have gotten after all these years.


Thanks for the entertaining article. I was barely scratching the surface of DC comics when this series came out. Although I knew many of the characters through tv and movies, I first started buying DC comics with the Legends mini-series and John Byrne's rebooting of Superman. So Spectre is not someone I was familiar with when this series was released, and I didn't discover him until later. I am not surprised that this series de-powered him, as that seemed to be an across the board mandate at the time, and the reduction in powers were most apparent with Superman and Flash. I guess having them less powerful made them more relatable or something.

Doug Moench is a solid writer, and I would love to check out the series if DC ever reprints it in trade. The covers alone make it worth checking out. Given how aggressive DC seems to be at reprinting their older stuff it is certainly possible this will eventually happen. Maybe one of the DC tv shows can feature him in a few episodes to raise his popularity.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2016 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

Odin's Beard, that looks awful! No wonder Marvel Comics from 1985 on is dead to me. DC in the '90s, at least what I have in my collection, didn't give in to those "artistic excesses", though some Batman stuff I have sometimes looks a little dodgy.

What you're seeing there is very '90s, Jim; I'm not aware of anything that looked that ghastly in the mid-'80s. But yeah, it looks dreadful. What were people thinking?

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2016 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Odin's Beard, that looks awful! No wonder Marvel Comics from 1985 on is dead to me. DC in the '90s, at least what I have in my collection, didn't give in to those "artistic excesses", though some Batman stuff I have sometimes looks a little dodgy.

What you're seeing there is very '90s, Jim; I'm not aware of anything that looked that ghastly in the mid-'80s. But yeah, it looks dreadful. What were people thinking?


The 1985 sentiment was carried over from the Marvel thread in which I lamented the Uncanny X-Men artwork of John Romita, Jr and how it contributed to me dropping that book.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2016 - 4:42 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)


Thanks for the entertaining article. I was barely scratching the surface of DC comics when this series came out. Although I knew many of the characters through tv and movies, I first started buying DC comics with the Legends mini-series and John Byrne's rebooting of Superman. So Spectre is not someone I was familiar with when this series was released, and I didn't discover him until later. I am not surprised that this series de-powered him, as that seemed to be an across the board mandate at the time, and the reduction in powers were most apparent with Superman and Flash. I guess having them less powerful made them more relatable or something.

Doug Moench is a solid writer, and I would love to check out the series if DC ever reprints it in trade. The covers alone make it worth checking out. Given how aggressive DC seems to be at reprinting their older stuff it is certainly possible this will eventually happen. Maybe one of the DC tv shows can feature him in a few episodes to raise his popularity.


During 1986-90 I would occasionally check in to see what was going on in comics. Batman was about the only book I picked up then. The rest of the comic world was bewildering and it was difficult to keep track of where some of my favorite comc creators were. I lost track of Doug Moench for a number of years but thankfully caught up with him upon his triumphant return to Batman. His second run is vastly different feom the typically soap operatic stories of his 1983-86 run, but "soap operatic" could describe the majority of comics before 1986.

Moench revisited the Spectre in that 1990s Batman run--which featured some of the most "love it or hate it" artwork in comic history! (I loved it).

 
 Posted:   Aug 20, 2016 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Tales of the Batman: Len Wein

It's happy birthday to me (08/22) as I filled a huge hole in my 1970s Batman collection with this purchase today.



Besides Batman, he wrote Giant-Size X-Men #1, a book I read countless times in middle school. Len Wein has written many comics that were tremendously important to me growing up.

Len Wein discusses his work on Batman in this very good interview:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=59177

I'm often surprised at the number of Batman tropes we take for granted. I appreciate these comic creators all the more when I am reminded of their lasting contributions. Wein was responsible for bringing Selena Kyle and Bruce Wayne together as a couple and he is also the writer who created Bruce Wayne's right-hand man, Lucius Fox.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2016 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

Tales of the Batman: Len Wein

It's happy birthday to me (08/22) as I filled a huge hole in my 1970s Batman collection with this purchase today.



Besides Batman, he wrote Giant-Size X-Men #1, a book I read countless times in middle school. Len Wein has written many comics that were tremendously important to me growing up.

Len Wein discusses his work on Batman in this very good interview:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=59177

I'm often surprised at the number of Batman tropes we take for granted. I appreciate these comic creators all the more when I am reminded of their lasting contributions. Wein was responsible for bringing Selena Kyle and Bruce Wayne together as a couple and he is also the writer who created Bruce Wayne's right-hand man, Lucius Fox.


Happy birthday! I will have to add that book to my wish list. I have been very impressed with the Tales of the Batman collections that I own, so I will be happy to get this at some point. I actually haven't read much of Wein's Batman work. I do have a black and white reprint of the Untold Legends of Batman series he wrote, which is a great summary of Batman's pre-Crisis origin. Keeping it to his DC work, I did enjoy his Swamp Thing stories, and when he was co-writer on the Legends mini-series, and I believe he also scripted the first several issues of George Perez's reboot of Wonder Woman. He also helped create a certain Canadian with claws for the other team.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2016 - 6:05 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Happy birthday!

Thanks! Let the celebration begin (and end) vintage Batman comic style:



You'll like the Len Wein Tales of the Batman. Unlike previous volumes, this one includes the covers to the corresponding stories; maybe because this is a writer rather than an artist volume. Also, the coloring is the vivid stuff and not the bleached-out stuff we got in the Neal Adams book, though his two stories are reproduced that way here since they're carried over from the Adams volume.

This one also includes the 1980 miniseries The Untold Legend of The Batman, which was heavily advertised that spring and early summer of 1980 yet has long-since been forgotten--I wonder if Grant Morrison managed to somehow include it in his "all Batman continuity counts" attempt.

There was a cassette and book read-along of the story though I don't recall it being released during my childhood; maybe it was released much later, in connection with Batman 1989.

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2016 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

In Appreciation: Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez





If you ever saw a DC character on a lunchbox, a coloring book, jigsaw puzzle, greeting card, or the package of a "Super Powers" action figure (which were just a bit after my time) chances are the (uncredited) artwork was by the great Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez.

I'm not 100% certain, but he may have also been the talent behind DC's Hostess Cakes ads (I believe Al Milgrom did most of Marvel's)

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2016 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

This one also includes the 1980 miniseries The Untold Legend of The Batman, which was heavily advertised that spring and early summer of 1980 yet has long-since been forgotten....

I haven't forgotten this, because somewhere in the early nineties, I think, I picked up the b&w paperback version.

 
 Posted:   Aug 26, 2016 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I wonder if the 1989 book-and-cassette edition of The Untold Legend of The Batman includes this bit from issue #2:

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 1:50 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

In Appreciation: Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez

If you ever saw a DC character on a lunchbox, a coloring book, jigsaw puzzle, greeting card, or the package of a "Super Powers" action figure (which were just a bit after my time) chances are the (uncredited) artwork was by the great Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez.

I'm not 100% certain, but he may have also been the talent behind DC's Hostess Cakes ads (I believe Al Milgrom did most of Marvel's)


Yeah, Garcia-Lopez is an incredible artist. They used a lot of his artwork in the original DC Heroes role-playing game, which was my first real exposure to many of the DC characters. Reading about the characters and their histories inspired me to collect DC comics.



The art used, and was also used on a lot of the lunch boxes, clothing, sheets, and other merchandise comes from the style guide Garcia-Lopez produced that DC had its artists use as a reference. http://www.newsarama.com/25677-remembering-dc-comics-1982-style-guide.html

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2016 - 10:48 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I may have mentioned this already, but I was reading an early-'80s issue of Detective Comics and was admiring the letters page masthead. Someone else was too and they got a letter orinted in which they asked about said masthead. The reply DC gave them mentioned Garcia-Lopez and the style guide/bible. What a shame that thing isn't for sale!

 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2016 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I was going to post a review of The Untold Legend of The Batman--which I'd always known about but never read until now--but the following blogger and his commentors do a sparkling job with their own highly-enthusiastic and hilarious remarks. This is the kind of comic love that's all too rare these days:

http://www.the-isb.com/?p=389

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2016 - 6:02 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The Len Wein-Tom Mandrake Batman comic from the heretofore unknown-to-me DC RETROACTIVE line is also included in the Wein Batman volume. I certainly like the series concept, which also included the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Retroactive

The Batman '90s volume is a Grant-Breyfogle story! Must. Seek. This. Out.

 
 Posted:   Sep 4, 2016 - 8:46 PM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

The Len Wein-Tom Mandrake Batman comic from the heretofore unknown-to-me DC RETROACTIVE line is also included in the Wein Batman volume. I certainly like the series concept, which also included the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Retroactive

The Batman '90s volume is a Grant-Breyfogle story! Must. Seek. This. Out.


I took the plunge and ordered the Len Wein Batman collection. Aside from the Untold Legend of Batman miniseries, I don't think there is much in that book that I have read. Definitely looking forward to checking it out.

I vaguely remember the DC Retroactive series, but I only bought a few books. I did get the '70s Green Lantern book, which was written by Denny O'Neil and drawn by Mike Grell, and featured a Green Lantern/Green Arrow story. The story itself was nothing special, but the Mike Grell art was nice. I always had the feeling that O'Neil was more comfortable writing Green Arrow than he was Lantern, and it shows in this book, as I recall Ollie getting most of the spotlight.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2016 - 10:59 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I think you'll enjoy that book! There's some fin Jim Aparo artwork as well as the delightfully over-the-top writing of Mr. Len Wein.

Green Arrow is better suited to O'Neil's writing because they share the same sociopolitical views. wink I just hope Denny has a calmer disposition, as Ollie was always a bit of a hothead.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2016 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)



While there are many supreme artists who've merited the title 'Genius' in the long
and generally universally under-valued history of comics, we daresay the above
individual has achieved quite a distinctive first.

The MacArthur Genius Awards go to a specially-selected group of creatives from
all walks of life - theatre, art, academia, literature, poetry, scientists - to enable them
to pursue their artistic purpose free from the constraints one usually encounters
trying to balance a life with a vision to express your view of it.



The formidable fact it also comes with a $625,000
stipend spread over five years ain't nothin' to sneeze at, either.



Mr. Yang, in addition to being a graphic novelist, is also a celebrated cartoonist and teacher and one of DC's top writers.



He'll now go down in history in his own unique - um - write wink

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2017 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

In recent months I've been enjoying the heck out of the fun team ups found in the pages of The Brave and the Bold and the shorter-lived DC Comics Presents. I like the (mostly) one-and-done adventures found therein. No attention is paid to pesty things like continuity, especially in writer Bob Haney's TB&B.

Speaking of Bob Haney--now there's a Neotrinity tribute that's long friggin' overdue--I read an interview with him where he said the following:

"I soon realized that a super-hero team up concept was the only way to revitalize the book. I needed a wheelhorse. Superman was out. His editor jealously guarded that empire. So Batman became the B&B mainstay. It worked. Without him or with some minor or non-super teammate, sales would tumble. So I pursued a policy of repeated link-ups with those characters the readers obviously favored via their sales response. Also, I wanted the spooky dark night Batman image of his original days. Such artists as Neal Adams and the redoubtable Jim Aparo brought this vision to panelled reality."

Bob Haney, in Best of the Brave and the Bold #5 (1988)

 
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