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 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Just wanted to let you know.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 4:47 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

Never seen it. Any good?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 5:22 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Wow.

I envy you the virginal experience, and I don't know what you thought about it, but maybe it had had greater impact if you had seen it as an adolescent. I know it did for me -- being one of the few benchmark movies in my life and among my Top 3 favourite films of all time.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 5:44 AM   
 By:   Urs Lesse   (Member)

I hope you hit if off. All the best for you two.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 6:02 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Wow.

I envy you the virginal experience, and I don't know what you thought about it, but maybe it had had greater impact if you had seen it as an adolescent. I know it did for me -- being one of the few benchmark movies in my life and among my Top 3 favourite films of all time.


You are probably very right about the adolescence thing. It's bound to have a greater impact on a young person than on a 38-year old. That said, I enjoyed the film on many levels, but it didn't quite rush to the top of my favorite list.

And I can't help thinking what Tangerine Dream (or even Jean-Michel Jarre) would have done if they had scored it. Would have been magic! ;-)

TD - Force Majeure (1979):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4bql75Alao

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Wow.

I envy you the virginal experience, and I don't know what you thought about it, but maybe it had had greater impact if you had seen it as an adolescent. I know it did for me -- being one of the few benchmark movies in my life and among my Top 3 favourite films of all time.


You are probably very right about the adolescence thing. It's bound to have a greater impact on a young person than on a 38-year old. That said, I enjoyed the film on many levels, but it didn't quite rush to the top of my favorite list.

And I can't help thinking what Tangerine Dream (or even Jean-Michel Jarre) would have done if they had scored it. Would have been magic! ;-)

TD - Force Majeure (1979):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4bql75Alao


Oh, you are one of those.
If TD or JMJ scored it , you would have had a layer of synthetically produced marshmallow frosting on top, of course. The score Jerry produced is perfect for the picture, with the caveat that Ridley botched up sections of it, like the Howard Hanson thing at the end. Like Outland, the score Jerry put together raised the intelligence of the picture, whereas these other two would have dated the picture, and made it a lesser thing. Yeah, I know that is my opinion. But really, I mean really!

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

It took five posts before this thread went south.

Is that a record? Should we be keeping track?

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 6:58 AM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

Am I the only one who thinks the Hanson end piece is perfect? I mean, the big orchestra climax as Ripley wins....then the calming theme of "The Romantic".....I think it fits very well.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

>>>>>>And I can't help thinking what Tangerine Dream (or even Jean-Michel Jarre) would have done if they had scored it. Would have been magic! ;-) >>>>>>>>

You've only just seen the damn thing and already you want to change it!!

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I'm 28 and I saw Alien for the first time about two months ago. The only movie in the series that I'd seen prior to that is Prometheus, which I liked about as much (sorry, Internet).

I, too, thought it was very good but not an all-time great. It's hard to judge Alien as its own movie in the year 2013, though - everything that Alien did in 1979 was integrated by the film industry, processed, bottled, and injected into almost every sci-fi and horror movie that has been released since then. I've seen everything that has happened in Alien many dozens of times in my life - maybe not done better, but -to me- done first. So the movie loses a lot of its impact.

I think you're right, that a lot of people saw Alien for a first time in their younger years and, as such, established a much tighter connection with the film. As far as the style of movie goes, Aliens sounds like it will be more up my alley than Alien was - I plan on giving that one a shot sometime soon.

I don't remember an awful lot of Goldsmith's score, to be honest, and while I like some of his stuff, I am not the biggest Goldsmith fan around. The only series score that I have on CD is Horner's Aliens, which was a blind buy and not something that I particularly care for, TBH.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 7:08 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Am I the only one who thinks the Hanson end piece is perfect? I mean, the big orchestra climax as Ripley wins....then the calming theme of "The Romantic".....I think it fits very well.

I too think it's fits well, but I'm probably the only one who thinks the ambient main title should have been ditched for the original one. wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

"Aliens" is nothing more than "Rambo in Space" whereas the first film is and always will be one of the best thrillers ever made; God, the Harry Dean Stanton scene is brilliant suspense. Alien is, also, as seen through adult eyes-- a dystopic kick in the balls. The sense of dread I had watching the masterful 1979 film was more than just the brilliantly designed creature, it was also the absolute wretched society that loomed off screen and formed the characters' personalities. I appreciate the fact that Aliens further addressed the salacious evil of the company Paul Reiser represented, however. No bright Roddenberry future in this world.

As a kid (eight in 1979) I liked it for the horror elements but otherwise the film itself made no serious impact on me. It wasn't until I was much older that Alien really made its mark. I still don't remember a thing about Jerry's score, though it's infinitely preferable to whatever bilge the likes of Tangerine Dream could have come up with. Their music killed the otherwise excellent "Thief", but I digress...

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 7:25 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Oh, you are one of those.
If TD or JMJ scored it , you would have had a layer of synthetically produced marshmallow frosting on top, of course. The score Jerry produced is perfect for the picture, with the caveat that Ridley botched up sections of it, like the Howard Hanson thing at the end. Like Outland, the score Jerry put together raised the intelligence of the picture, whereas these other two would have dated the picture, and made it a lesser thing. Yeah, I know that is my opinion. But really, I mean really!


Well, I don't agree. Just look at Blade Runner, a brilliant electronic score, and people STILL thinks it's brilliant, not many means it dates the picture. I'm 100 % sure TD would have delivered something in the same vein.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 7:28 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

It's hard to judge Alien as its own movie in the year 2013, though - everything that Alien did in 1979 was integrated by the film industry, processed, bottled, and injected into almost every sci-fi and horror movie that has been released since then.

Just what I thought.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I still don't remember a thing about Jerry's score, though it's infinitely preferable to whatever bilge the likes of Tangerine Dream could have come up with. Their music killed the otherwise excellent "Thief", but I digress...

LOL. The Thief score is a masterpiece.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

In retrospect it was the first "R" rated film I ever saw. Was never into horror or gore but the film is masterfully made. I appreciated it on its craftsmanship level.

I don't remember the score, do not own the score, and frankly didn't know it was done by Gerry Goldsmith until 25 years later. So he didn't write that last climatic cue? That's the only music I remember from the film!

Heck I don't think Ive seen the film in it's entirety since its theatrical run. I'll probably appreciate it more today knowing more or less when the gory stuff happens. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Am I the only one who thinks the Hanson end piece is perfect? I mean, the big orchestra climax as Ripley wins....then the calming theme of "The Romantic".....I think it fits very well.

It is a nice piece of music Charles, but why would you have an unrelentingly spare, sparse, unearthly film and score, and suddenly hear the earthly sounds of butterfly and angels and sweet fields of tulips? I mean the change in tone is absurd and like a parody of what came before.

Ridley had another example of this in the 'drive off into the sweet fields and sunshine' ending of Bladerunner. I mean, so all of those people living in such awfulness could just ---drive out of town?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Oh, you are one of those.
If TD or JMJ scored it , you would have had a layer of synthetically produced marshmallow frosting on top, of course. The score Jerry produced is perfect for the picture, with the caveat that Ridley botched up sections of it, like the Howard Hanson thing at the end. Like Outland, the score Jerry put together raised the intelligence of the picture, whereas these other two would have dated the picture, and made it a lesser thing. Yeah, I know that is my opinion. But really, I mean really!


Well, I don't agree. Just look at Blade Runner, a brilliant electronic score, and people STILL thinks it's brilliant, not many means it dates the picture. I'm 100 % sure TD would have delivered something in the same vein.


Bladerunner is another ballgame, and I like Vangelis, but he is a long way from the compositional expertise of Jerry Goldsmith. And further, as someone else said, why cannot we just accept these old films as they are anyway? I mean I understand that what-if second guessing of so many marginal to terrible scores of films nowadays, but why would we second guess classic films and scores. I mean, like what if Hans Zimmer scored Ben Hur? (Oh yeah, that was Gladiator.)

Just an observation here, it seems people from the Norway part of the world like this wallpaper Tangerine Dream style stuff, I have seen a few people here from that area that are favorable to that stuff. so what is that, the cold weather?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I still don't remember a thing about Jerry's score, though it's infinitely preferable to whatever bilge the likes of Tangerine Dream could have come up with. Their music killed the otherwise excellent "Thief", but I digress...

LOL. The Thief score is a masterpiece.


You really mean "masterpiece" - you mean like Beethoven's 9th Symphony is a masterpiece.

I mean, really, 'masterpiece'?

Along with 'whatever' it has to be one of the most over applied words.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2013 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think Goldsmith's score is perfect the way it is, but I belong to those who prefer the "Scott edit" rather than Goldsmith's original conception. It plays wonderfully to the film's freudian symbolism throughout -- which is its MAIN strength, IMO, and makes it something more than just a horror movie.

 
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