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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Zigzag/The Super Cops
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2009 - 4:14 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Count me as another champion of this fine release.

This FSM double disc could be wickedly nicknamed "The Bum Ticker Two-fer" seeing as both Oliver Nelson and Jerry Fielding suffered from heart problems. It's an absolute tragedy that both men died so young. Fielding was sorely needed in the 1980s with how synthetic that decade turned out. But I wonder how much work he could have scared up if he didn't continue working with Clint Eastwood. Of course we'll never know...In Oliver Nelson's case, it's an even greater tragedy. He, like Fielding worked in the Universal composer's "stable" and, as Thomas brilliantly put it in his Zigzag blog, Nelson's was both a sensitive and forceful sound. When I see what the subsequent decades in film scoring brought to the art, I mourn the deaths of Nelson and Fielding all the more. Still, would there have been the room for these two brilliant composers? In an age where greats like Bruce Broughton and David Shire toil in veritable obscurity, I doubt it.

As for the music...

Zigzag is a great, great introduction to the world of Oliver Nelson. Sure, we all want The Six Million Dollar Man, but Zigzag is all the more interesting for being an obscure George Kennedy movie. I love the "driving through the city" sound of many of the cues, and that main title is hummable as anything else from that time. Love it. The album presentation is equally fascinating, and a reminder of a time when the re-record was every bit as interesting in its own way. Don't ignore it!

Avant-gardist that I am, I could listen to Jerry Fielding's atmospheric suspense cues for hours on end and still remain fascinated with the man's very sound. The Hawkins scores are a wonderful (and obvious) companion to Maestro Goldsmith's take on the same show, but Fielding's music has flashes of his other scores from that period. I can hear traces of The Mechanic and Alfredo Garcia, especially the former with its low, rumbling piano.

The Super Cops is a funkier, but lighter precursor to Fielding's score for The Enforcer, and if they ever did Dirty Harry as an intentional comedy, then The Super Cops would be the score for it. There are enough serious and suspensful selections in Fielding's "lighter" effort that always keep it interesting. It's a score that's grown on me considerably.

It's also great to have the source from The Outfit, a movie that TCM (thankfully) aired one late night about three years ago. Fielding's score is fitting and conveys a more relaxed, rural setting, though it gets tense and edgy when it must.

Zigzag/Supercops is the greatest FSM release nobody ever bought. And that's a shame. But if there's ever a release for The Six Million Dollar Man, you can guarantee that Oliver Nelson will earn a career re-evaluation and some much-deserved recognition. In the meantime, I'll be grooving to Zigzag...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2009 - 4:17 AM   
 By:   Suicide is imminent   (Member)

Oh yeah, love that Super Cops. Just doesn't get much more funky than that.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2009 - 6:10 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

I play ZIGZAG quite often. I remember seeing the film on TV a long time ago when I was a kid and liking it very much. Since it's an MGM release, I keep hoping it will turn up on TCM.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2009 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

I bought it for "The super cops" as that film has a special association for me.
I took "Zigzag" along but it wasn't the one that sold me on the CD. As said that was the work of the cops.
Now I find that I play "Zigzag" faaaaaaaaaaar more.
I really love that music. Talk about music to drive by. When I go for a drive with a recreational destination in the summer, I play that music on the car audiosystem. It's like the non action parts of "Bullit" or a few tunes of "Mannix" the car just floats down the tarmac.
Too bad there is more vocal stuff than instrumental. It's not bad but not my thing either. The singer's voice is off putting to me though. Not as bad as Billie Holliday (few of the older singers are) but not for longer periods either even less so if you realize what could have been there in instrumental stuff instead.

Anyway once again to those who still don't have this one: GET IT.
I can't beleive this one is not sold out yet.

Would love to see the film. Great music and George Kennedy in the main role; now that's my kind of film.

D.S.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2009 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

I play this cd a LOT. Mostly for ZIGZAG, as much as I like Fielding, I prefer this score.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2009 - 7:25 PM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

ZigZag is so good. I never knew I'd be getting a Roy Orbison performance too, even if the song is lousy. "It's my mind you're blowing. Zigzag!"

I like the arrangements for the film more than the LP performances. One thing that makes a good composer is to know when to stop adding stuff, and I think something is lost with the album treatment in this regard. Still interesting listening, for sure.

As for The Super Cops... I've never been a Fielding fan and this score certainly didn't turn me into one.

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2009 - 9:03 PM   
 By:   Josh Mitchell   (Member)

Count me among the worshippers of this release. I just picked it up during the recent FSM/SAE sale, although it had been on my wish list for ages. Super duper groovy stuff.

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2009 - 5:04 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)


As for The Super Cops... I've never been a Fielding fan and this score certainly didn't turn me into one.


I understand that. It took me awhile to embrace Fielding's movie work, though I always liked his television music. Now, I rank him near the top of my favorites. Go figure. I think Fielding--along with Leonard Rosenman--are two of the most challenging film composers ever, but I find their music so rewarding.

I'm amused , but not surprised, that a thread on this great two-disc set has fewer posts than this one: wink

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=61147&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2009 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   Simon Morris   (Member)

The thing I find a bit odd about THE SUPER COPS is that if Intrada had put this score out as one of its Fielding releases as a 'Special Collection' it would have been greeted by cries of "Awesome!"
"Another Holy Grail released!" and so forth. And it would have gone in a couple of days.

Weird.

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2009 - 6:47 AM   
 By:   Stefan Miklos   (Member)

The thing I find a bit odd about THE SUPER COPS is that if Intrada had put this score out as one of its Fielding releases as a 'Special Collection' it would have been greeted by cries of "Awesome!"
"Another Holy Grail released!" and so forth. And it would have gone in a couple of days.

Weird.



And the same applies to "The Getaway", another Peckinpah/Fielding title that is not sold out.
At Intrada, any Peckinpah/Fielding title would have gone in 24 hours.
Go figure?

PS: Intrada seems to have stopped their Fielding well, at least in the first semestre of 2009?

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2009 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The thing I find a bit odd about THE SUPER COPS is that if Intrada had put this score out as one of its Fielding releases as a 'Special Collection' it would have been greeted by cries of "Awesome!"
"Another Holy Grail released!" and so forth. And it would have gone in a couple of days.

Weird.


It's also Fielding at his most accessible! Yet as you mention, if it were something from Intrada--even the not-so-friendly-to-the-ears The Mechanic--it would be gone fast.

Maybe if it had a "blaster beam"...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2009 - 7:42 PM   
 By:   Suicide is imminent   (Member)

Oh, I think it was just the fact that the Intrada Fielding's were released in smaller quantities. As we all know, most things that are pressed in low numbers tend to sell out quick these days.

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2009 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   Josh Mitchell   (Member)

Oh, I think it was just the fact that the Intrada Fielding's were released in smaller quantities. As we all know, most things that are pressed in low numbers tend to sell out quick these days.

Or maybe it was the extra $5 on the price tag. Those 2-CD sets can be a real punch in the wallet, you know.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2009 - 7:47 PM   
 By:   Suicide is imminent   (Member)

Or maybe it was the extra $5 on the price tag. Those 2-CD sets can be a real punch in the wallet, you know.

True.

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2009 - 7:54 PM   
 By:   Josh Mitchell   (Member)

Or maybe it was the extra $5 on the price tag. Those 2-CD sets can be a real punch in the wallet, you know.

True.


I was actually just joking (tried to make it more obvious by adding the winky smiley...oh well). I understand it may be a deterrent for some, but $5 for an extra disc ain't no thang but a buffalo wang.

That said, however, I bought our copy of Zigzag/Super Cops for $19.99 during the recent SAE sale.

big grin

 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2009 - 8:02 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Oh, I think it was just the fact that the Intrada Fielding's were released in smaller quantities. As we all know, most things that are pressed in low numbers tend to sell out quick these days.

Or maybe it was the extra $5 on the price tag. Those 2-CD sets can be a real punch in the wallet, you know.


A little story that's amusing now, but not so much back in late January, 2006.- I was about 3 weeks away from relocating back to Dallas from Phoenix, and I was driving to work about an hour earlier than usual on a wetter than usual highway. Rain is so rare out there that when it hits pavement, any oil in the concrete just rises like cream. Long story shorter, I was involved in an accident that morning that ended up totalling out my Mustang. The cops pushed me over to the side and the tow driver gave me a lift to work.

My drive to work listen that a.m. ? ZIGZAG. I ended up leaving the damned thing on the side of the highway when I got out of the car and had to buy a new one about a month later when I was re-settling in Dallas.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2009 - 10:53 PM   
 By:   Suicide is imminent   (Member)

I was actually just joking (tried to make it more obvious by adding the winky smiley...oh well).

Ok. Not too bright today.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 11, 2009 - 10:54 PM   
 By:   Suicide is imminent   (Member)

Woops. This space for rent.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2009 - 12:10 AM   
 By:   Simon Morris   (Member)

Oh, I think it was just the fact that the Intrada Fielding's were released in smaller quantities. As we all know, most things that are pressed in low numbers tend to sell out quick these days.


Exactly. The point we were making is that it doesn't seem to matter what the music is like or who the composer is.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2009 - 12:41 AM   
 By:   Suicide is imminent   (Member)

Exactly. The point we were making is that it doesn't seem to matter what the music is like or who the composer is.

Yeah I know I was just stating the obvious, I guess.

 
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