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 Posted:   Jan 13, 2018 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

It's the Enterprise. The shot was not shown that way in the theater, well for the most part. I know virtually nothing about how film works in the projector, but I do remember when I saw the film in the theater they forgot to set up the projector properly and the image on screen was distorted for the first 10 minutes of the film. Someone in the booth was notified and they had to flip some lens or something so the film was presented properly on the screen.

I'll take your word for it since I don't want to have to drag out the DVD--even if I occasionally "crave" a TMP viewing.

"Spiritual Search" TV spot



Still looking for the "interviews with impressed moviegoers" adverts, though.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2018 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Mego Star Trek Bridge and Vulcan Shuttle Toy Commercial:

I did own the "Decker" action figure because he looked "cooler" than Kirk.



"All sold separately." DAMN! Funny thing is, the guy hosting the ad is today's "target demographic" for these toys.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2018 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Mego Star Trek Bridge and Vulcan Shuttle Toy Commercial:

I did own the "Decker" action figure because he looked "cooler" than Kirk.

"All sold separately." DAMN! Funny thing is, the guy hosting the ad is today's "target demographic" for these toys.


OMG, a giant size Vulcan Shuttle toy?! Now that's something I've NEVER seen before. You finally showed me something I wasn't aware of.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2018 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

OMG, a giant size Vulcan Shuttle toy?! Now that's something I've NEVER seen before. You finally showed me something I wasn't aware of.

Such humility! How very Vulcan of you, sol. Oh wait, Spock was an arrogant s.o.b., wasn't he?

Those Mego action figures were well made, though they lacked accessories that made Kenner's Star Wars line so memorable. One could argue that the TMP toys were as dull as the film itself (kidding...sort of).

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2018 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

OMG, a giant size Vulcan Shuttle toy?! Now that's something I've NEVER seen before. You finally showed me something I wasn't aware of.

Such humility! How very Vulcan of you, sol. Oh wait, Spock was an arrogant s.o.b., wasn't he?

Those Mego action figures were well made, though they lacked accessories that made Kenner's Star Wars line so memorable. One could argue that the TMP toys were as dull as the film itself (kidding...sort of).


I know, I thought I knew everything about ST:TMP. wink I never got into the mini figures, either Star Wars or Star Trek. I grew up on 12 inch GI JOES. (Size does matter)

Your dull comment made me laugh. smile Not because I think the film is dull, I've always found it very engaging. But unlike the Blade Runner fanatics, that insist BR is the greatest Sci Fi movie ever made, (Just because they like it) I can understand why ST:TMP would bore the hell out of a lot of people, even other sci fi fans.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2018 - 4:53 PM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

Oh I remember this. The whole Star Wars thing made space a money laden frontier, bigger than ever. And even in the late 70s there were Trekkies galore. So yes, the movie was marketed heavily.

I saw the movie twice, and felt both time I wasted my time. But then, I'm more a gangsta of love than a space cowboy, cool sci fi to me is Alien, Interstellar...I liked some of Arrival.

The STTMP score is a different matter entirely. Maestro Jerry was apparently quite aware of the SW impact, and wrote something that sounded only peripherally analogous and (imo) much better as a whole (now everyone hates me, not a fan of either the SW movies or scores).

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2018 - 5:04 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Oh I remember this. The whole Star Wars thing made space a money laden frontier, bigger than ever. And even in the late 70s there were Trekkies galore. So yes, the movie was marketed heavily.

I saw the movie twice, and felt both time I wasted my time. But then, I'm more a gangsta of love than a space cowboy, cool sci fi to me is Alien, Interstellar...I liked some of Arrival.

The STTMP score is a different matter entirely. Maestro Jerry was apparently quite aware of the SW impact, and wrote something that sounded only peripherally analogous and (imo) much better as a whole (now everyone hates me, not a fan of either the SW movies or scores).


The score is the films strongest element. I wonder if I would like the film nearly as much without Goldsmith's music.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 4:01 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

know, I thought I knew everything about ST:TMP. wink I never got into the mini figures, either Star Wars or Star Trek. I grew up on 12 inch GI JOES.

I am of the rare age where I was just old enough to have had a few of those bigger G.I. Joes big grin--there was a "Rock 'em, Sock 'em" G.I. Joe karate toy I had as well as the regular toys--back when G.i. Joe was just one guy with a beard. LOL They downplayed Joe's earlier, military background and "rebranded" him to be a globe-trotting adventurer. I still have those G.I. Joe Peter Pan book and record sets.

The most famous Joe figures of 1982 and on were a bit after my time, though I read the Marvel comic, which was quite good. The animated tv series was total shite, however.

Other toys I recall having were the somewhat larger Mego TOS figures with the cool vinyl Enterprise set. All this would have been around 1976-79 (ages 5-8 for me).

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

know, I thought I knew everything about ST:TMP. wink I never got into the mini figures, either Star Wars or Star Trek. I grew up on 12 inch GI JOES.

I am of the rare age where I was just old enough to have had a few of those bigger G.I. Joes big grin--there was a "Rock 'em, Sock 'em"


Oh my gosh! My brother had "Rock 'em Sock 'em" robots! Do you remember "Ricochet Racers?". smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

The score is the films strongest element. I wonder if I would like the film nearly as much without Goldsmith's music.

Didnt help me. Cant stand the entire venture including the music. Main theme sounds like a cheap imitation of Williams' Superman or Star Wars.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

know, I thought I knew everything about ST:TMP. wink I never got into the mini figures, either Star Wars or Star Trek. I grew up on 12 inch GI JOES.

I am of the rare age where I was just old enough to have had a few of those bigger G.I. Joes big grin--there was a "Rock 'em, Sock 'em" G.I. Joe karate toy I had as well as the regular toys--back when G.i. Joe was just one guy with a beard. LOL They downplayed Joe's earlier, military background and "rebranded" him to be a globe-trotting adventurer. I still have those G.I. Joe Peter Pan book and record sets.

The most famous Joe figures of 1982 and on were a bit after my time, though I read the Marvel comic, which was quite good. The animated tv series was total shite, however.

Other toys I recall having were the somewhat larger Mego TOS figures with the cool vinyl Enterprise set. All this would have been around 1976-79 (ages 5-8 for me).


I had the regular Army Joe's of course. But my favorite were the action adventure Joe's. I had the astronaut, and dog sled with the blonde bearded figure. Generally speaking I was never into "toys" growing up. I preferred artsy stuff like drawing and model kit building.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 7:47 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Peter Pan Records already had a series of "original" audio adventures before TMP's release. With the film's release, they updated their LP covers with TMP imagery with the previously-released stories. This episode's score makes use of Holst.



The whole sordid story can be found here:

http://www.danhausertrek.com/Records/Records.html

(an FSMer or two posted comments on that site; yes, it surprised me, too)

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

The score is the films strongest element. I wonder if I would like the film nearly as much without Goldsmith's music.

Didnt help me. Cant stand the entire venture including the music. Main theme sounds like a cheap imitation of Williams' Superman or Star Wars.


You know...maybe because I'm a composer (though you might be also and/or have studied music too; if so please forgive me in advance), but from what I've heard the STTMP theme sounds very much as described in the notes...an obvious effort to NOT emulate those Williams themes, while still going for a not entirely dissimilar aim. Perhaps if you give the score a listen with headphones on...again, forgive me if you've been there already and still feel the same. Williams certainly borrowed from the action scores of older composers...but then, everyone in film music has done that since, so it's mighty hard to blame them imo.

The only thing I hear that could possibly align them (outside of described above) is their obviously rallying nature.

It could also be that I'm not a fan of the SW music (LOVE the Superman). I really haven't listened to the former enough to have that firm a basis of comparison (I also don't have the sheet music, probably never will).

But yeah, as far as articulations, orchestration (which is off the chart as far as sophistication goes in STTMP, while Williams condemned his own for SW), and overall dynamic mapping those themes mostly bear resemblance due to their place in time. Anyone who was assaulted by the SW theme for any significant period of time would think of it when something came out that's not entirely dissimilar.

And btw, I count myself as a fan of Williams (Close Encounters is a monolithic masterpiece imo)...I even just grabbed one of his lesser known scores (Family Plot) yesterday from Varese.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

WA, if you've picked up the LLL, then you'll have heard Goldsmith imitating his MT entré for the benefit of the orchestra on the 3rd disc, I think . . . "Pum, Pum!" It's quite an ornate introduction, but, I suppose it should be discussed on the other side. I believe he reverses the order of the repeat brass section after Pum, Pum - sort of starting with de-do-de-do-de-do, followed with, do-de-do-de-do-de.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Peter Pan Records already had a series of "original" audio adventures before TMP's release. With the film's release, they updated their LP covers with TMP imagery with the previously-released stories. This episode's score makes use of Holst.

The whole sordid story can be found here:

http://www.danhausertrek.com/Records/Records.html

(an FSMer or two posted comments on that site; yes, it surprised me, too)


I had a couple of those! Love the (original) cover artwork.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

The score is the films strongest element. I wonder if I would like the film nearly as much without Goldsmith's music.

Didnt help me. Cant stand the entire venture including the music. Main theme sounds like a cheap imitation of Williams' Superman or Star Wars.


They have nothing in common other than they use an orchestra, and have a rousing opening theme. But musically speaking night and day.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

They have nothing in common other than they use an orchestra, and have a rousing opening theme. But musically speaking night and day.

then maybe you should dig the wax out of your ears.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

They have nothing in common other than they use an orchestra, and have a rousing opening theme. But musically speaking night and day.

then maybe you should dig the wax out of your ears.



DYING!!!

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

They have nothing in common other than they use an orchestra, and have a rousing opening theme. But musically speaking night and day.

then maybe you should dig the wax out of your ears.


Funny, I was going to say something similar to you after reading your ridiculous post. But I decided to go the higher ground instead of personal insults, which is the norm from you.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2018 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

They have nothing in common other than they use an orchestra, and have a rousing opening theme. But musically speaking night and day.

then maybe you should dig the wax out of your ears.


Funny, I was going to say something similar to you after reading your ridiculous post. But I decided to go the higher ground instead of personal insults, which is the norm from you.


Apparently you confuse criticism with insults. I mainly return personal insults, not initiate them. If you want to ignore my winkie accompanying the ear wax comment (in other words, a teasing disagreement), that's your choice. The winkie you added makes no sense given the gravity of your comment. It's like Belushi apologizing for destroying the guitar in Animal House.

 
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