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Jan 13, 2018 - 4:41 PM
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Solium
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OMG, a giant size Vulcan Shuttle toy?! Now that's something I've NEVER seen before. You finally showed me something I wasn't aware of.
Such humility! How very Vulcan of you, sol. Oh wait, Spock was an arrogant s.o.b., wasn't he?
Those Mego action figures were well made, though they lacked accessories that made Kenner's Star Wars line so memorable. One could argue that the TMP toys were as dull as the film itself (kidding...sort of).
I know, I thought I knew everything about ST:TMP.  I never got into the mini figures, either Star Wars or Star Trek. I grew up on 12 inch GI JOES. (Size does matter)
Your dull comment made me laugh.  Not because I think the film is dull, I've always found it very engaging. But unlike the Blade Runner fanatics, that insist BR is the greatest Sci Fi movie ever made, (Just because they like it) I can understand why ST:TMP would bore the hell out of a lot of people, even other sci fi fans.
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Oh I remember this. The whole Star Wars thing made space a money laden frontier, bigger than ever. And even in the late 70s there were Trekkies galore. So yes, the movie was marketed heavily.
I saw the movie twice, and felt both time I wasted my time. But then, I'm more a gangsta of love than a space cowboy, cool sci fi to me is Alien, Interstellar...I liked some of Arrival.
The STTMP score is a different matter entirely. Maestro Jerry was apparently quite aware of the SW impact, and wrote something that sounded only peripherally analogous and (imo) much better as a whole (now everyone hates me, not a fan of either the SW movies or scores).
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The score is the films strongest element. I wonder if I would like the film nearly as much without Goldsmith's music.
Didnt help me. Cant stand the entire venture including the music. Main theme sounds like a cheap imitation of Williams' Superman or Star Wars.
You know...maybe because I'm a composer (though you might be also and/or have studied music too; if so please forgive me in advance), but from what I've heard the STTMP theme sounds very much as described in the notes...an obvious effort to NOT emulate those Williams themes, while still going for a not entirely dissimilar aim. Perhaps if you give the score a listen with headphones on...again, forgive me if you've been there already and still feel the same. Williams certainly borrowed from the action scores of older composers...but then, everyone in film music has done that since, so it's mighty hard to blame them imo.
The only thing I hear that could possibly align them (outside of described above) is their obviously rallying nature.
It could also be that I'm not a fan of the SW music (LOVE the Superman). I really haven't listened to the former enough to have that firm a basis of comparison (I also don't have the sheet music, probably never will).
But yeah, as far as articulations, orchestration (which is off the chart as far as sophistication goes in STTMP, while Williams condemned his own for SW), and overall dynamic mapping those themes mostly bear resemblance due to their place in time. Anyone who was assaulted by the SW theme for any significant period of time would think of it when something came out that's not entirely dissimilar.
And btw, I count myself as a fan of Williams (Close Encounters is a monolithic masterpiece imo)...I even just grabbed one of his lesser known scores (Family Plot) yesterday from Varese.
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Jan 14, 2018 - 9:09 AM
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Grecchus
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WA, if you've picked up the LLL, then you'll have heard Goldsmith imitating his MT entré for the benefit of the orchestra on the 3rd disc, I think . . . "Pum, Pum!" It's quite an ornate introduction, but, I suppose it should be discussed on the other side. I believe he reverses the order of the repeat brass section after Pum, Pum - sort of starting with de-do-de-do-de-do, followed with, do-de-do-de-do-de.
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They have nothing in common other than they use an orchestra, and have a rousing opening theme. But musically speaking night and day.
then maybe you should dig the wax out of your ears.
DYING!!!
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--there was a "Rock 'em, Sock 'em" G.I. Joe karate toy I had as well as the regular toys--back when G.i. Joe was just one guy with a beard. LOL They downplayed Joe's earlier, military background and "rebranded" him to be a globe-trotting adventurer. I still have those G.I. Joe Peter Pan book and record sets.
