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 Posted:   Aug 14, 2017 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Thanks for the heads up on the Trek comic strip books. They look sooo appealing! smile

(I haven't forgotten Night Force is due out Oct 31, either...appropriate!)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2017 - 9:52 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

"A book I would love to buy just as soon as it's available as an ebook."

I dare say you're not alone in that. That's always been on the table, as it were, and perhaps the time for it has come. Keep watching this space.

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"Spock's Ruby What?!"

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The discussion about whether or not to buy the score ostensibly seems to refer to the original LP/CD. For the record, anybody who is interested in buying the ST-TMP music should get its most recent incarnation as a 3-disc set.

(And FWIW, I personally share none of the ambivalence I've been reading here. IMHO, JG's ST-TMP is definitely one of the all-time great film scores, and may even be the composer's masterpiece.)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2017 - 4:08 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

I believe it's the composers masterpiece. It's certainly my favourite JG score and one of the greatest film scores ever written IMO, the slow pace of the film gave JG a fantastic canvas for composing.

TallGuy, the scoring for the cosmic-cloud sequences owes far more to Vaughan Williams than Holst, -lite or not wink

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2017 - 7:25 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

"A book I would love to buy just as soon as it's available as an ebook."

I dare say you're not alone in that. That's always been on the table, as it were, and perhaps the time for it has come. Keep watching this space.


This is most exciting and promising, Preston! I will purchase Return to Tomorrow on kindle day one (or wherever it is that I can translate to kindle). And frankly couldn't care less if it is the same 29.95 price - not a cost-savings issue at all, just that hardware size, font size, lighted (but not backlit screen), and carrying around hundreds of books - that's how I read these days. (Was so delighted to find on kindle your piece on Salter in one of those terrific B-movie interview/profile compilations that I cannot recall the name of at all.)

RE the TMP soundtrack: I still think the original LP program is a perfect suite from the score, and if someone doesn't want to dive in too deep, it's a great starter. But given what Onya has said, I don't think it's for him in any case. Though the love theme would I think fit in nicely with a number of the light music albums Onya declares love for around these parts. And the V'Ger sections do have a bit of the exotica/space music mashup vibe Onya craves, though more aligned with Debussy/Ravel and other early 20th C concert music. So there might be something there after all for him for short dough, as one of our luminaries likes to say. wink

And yes, JimP, me too on Nightforce! (And looking at Camelot 3000 too, though I haven't posted in the DC thread for awhile. I haven't had anything worthwhile to add to that discussion, unlike this one, where I'm brilliant post after post! wink)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2017 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


TallGuy, the scoring for the cosmic-cloud sequences owes far more to Vaughan Williams than Holst, -lite or not wink



I'm happy to give way to my learned friend smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2017 - 10:54 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

RE the TMP soundtrack: I still think the original LP program is a perfect suite from the score, and if someone doesn't want to dive in too deep, it's a great starter. But given what Onya has said, I don't think it's for him in any case. Though the love theme would I think fit in nicely with a number of the light music albums Onya declares love for around these parts. And the V'Ger sections do have a bit of the exotica/space music mashup vibe Onya craves, though more aligned with Debussy/Ravel and other early 20th C concert music. So there might be something there after all for him for short dough, as one of our luminaries likes to say. wink

Perfect. I generally buy expansions only of albums I really love, so I would be much more inclined to spend $2 on the LP and then go from there. My favorite classical music is 20th Century (and baroque; I generally don't care for the classical or romantic eras), so your descriptor would suggest this is up my alley. The clincher will be how often that godawful main them does or does not intrude into the overall program.

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2017 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

RE the TMP soundtrack: I still think the original LP program is a perfect suite from the score, and if someone doesn't want to dive in too deep, it's a great starter. But given what Onya has said, I don't think it's for him in any case. Though the love theme would I think fit in nicely with a number of the light music albums Onya declares love for around these parts. And the V'Ger sections do have a bit of the exotica/space music mashup vibe Onya craves, though more aligned with Debussy/Ravel and other early 20th C concert music. So there might be something there after all for him for short dough, as one of our luminaries likes to say. wink

Perfect. I generally buy expansions only of albums I really love, so I would be much more inclined to spend $2 on the LP and then go from there. My favorite classical music is 20th Century (and baroque; I generally don't care for the classical or romantic eras), so your descriptor would suggest this is up my alley. The clincher will be how often that godawful main them does or does not intrude into the overall program.


Thread title changed to: "How Extensively Marketed was ST: TMP to Onyabirri?" wink

Don't let these guys talk you off the ledge into getting TMP. I'm telling you that the theme rears its head in enough cues spread throughout the album that it will drive you crazy.

Believe me.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2017 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

"The clincher will be how often that godawful main them does or does not intrude into the overall program."

Jim is probably right in warning you away. That theme I love does indeed intrude into the overall program, thank God(awful).

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2017 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Jim is not wrong, but there are 3-4 solid cues that are not theme focused. Cloud on side one, and Ilia's Theme and Vejur Flyover on side 2. Most of the Meld cue on side two would I think also be up your alley, but it does quote the theme at the end, so that's probably no good.

So that's about 15 minutes that might work for you. Maybe worth $2 maybe not, no big deal either way.

And here's what I think is the issue with the theme, and what it shares in common with the original Star Wars theme -
it tells you what to think and feel. It's a little too on the nose, as Jerry G. said (rightly I think) about his Papillon theme. And I say this as someone who has grown to love it.

All that said - Leaving Drydock is one of my favorite Goldsmith cues ever, just because he could show what he could do with the theme, so I've made my peace with it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2017 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Thanks for the heads up on the Trek comic strip books. They look sooo appealing! smile

The quality of the books is very high, the art in the first volume anyway is first rate, and the stories are...prolonged. And repetitive. And repetitive. And repeat a lot. Typical for the genre of daily newspaper story strips.

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2017 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Thanks for the heads up on the Trek comic strip books. They look sooo appealing! smile

The quality of the books is very high, the art in the first volume anyway is first rate, and the stories are...prolonged. And repetitive. And repetitive. And repeat a lot. Typical for the genre of daily newspaper story strips.


I have half a dozen of the strips from when they were online--Handley was the guy who had the site--and I see he is involved in the books, too.

"The Wristwatch Plantation" was the story I had/have.

Onya: Getting the TMP 2-disc set would be well worth your time, if only to hear the second disc, which is the 1976 Inside Star Trek LP. Its self importance and kitcsh value are priceless and makes a great "chaser" to The Shat's The Transformed Man.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Inside_Star_Trek

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2017 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Getting the TMP 2-disc set would be well worth your time, if only to hear the second disc, which is the 1976 Inside Star Trek LP. Its self importance and kitcsh value are priceless and makes a great "chaser" to The Shat's The Transformed Man.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Inside_Star_Trek



A word of caution: Roddenberry is an unreliable narrator. He says a lot of self-serving things that are credibly contradicted by other sources, including the (unrelated) book Inside Star Trek by Robert Justman and Herb Solow.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Inside_Star_Trek:_The_Real_Story

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2017 - 6:11 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Getting the TMP 2-disc set would be well worth your time, if only to hear the second disc, which is the 1976 Inside Star Trek LP. Its self importance and kitcsh value are priceless and makes a great "chaser" to The Shat's The Transformed Man.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Inside_Star_Trek



A word of caution: Roddenberry is an unreliable narrator. He says a lot of self-serving things that are credibly contradicted by other sources, including the (unrelated) book Inside Star Trek by Robert Justman and Herb Solow.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Inside_Star_Trek:_The_Real_Story


That's part of what I was alluding to in my previous post. smile

I love Nichelle's proud self introduction...none of these actors could get hired after Trek, not even Doohan (though I remember Jason from Star Command), but thankfully Trek came calling after an interminable 1970-78 wait.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2017 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

Getting the TMP 2-disc set would be well worth your time, if only to hear the second disc, which is the 1976 Inside Star Trek LP. Its self importance and kitcsh value are priceless and makes a great "chaser" to The Shat's The Transformed Man.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Inside_Star_Trek



A word of caution: Roddenberry is an unreliable narrator. He says a lot of self-serving things that are credibly contradicted by other sources, including the (unrelated) book Inside Star Trek by Robert Justman and Herb Solow.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Inside_Star_Trek:_The_Real_Story


That's part of what I was alluding to in my previous post. smile

I love Nichelle's proud self introduction...none of these actors could get hired after Trek, not even Doohan (though I remember Jason from Star Command), but thankfully Trek came calling after an interminable 1970-78 wait.


Trek came calling between '70 and '78, too, as Doohan also worked on the animated series.

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2017 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)


Trek came calling between '70 and '78, too, as Doohan also worked on the animated series.


It really was a tough time for Trek, though; the original theme couldn't even get hired for the animated series gig.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2017 - 6:23 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

"The clincher will be how often that godawful main them does or does not intrude into the overall program."

Jim is probably right in warning you away. That theme I love does indeed intrude into the overall program, thank God(awful).


Ouch. "Intrude" seems a bit nasty. And yet I too felt more aware than ever of its reverb in my latest viewing (recently completed). I dunno. Couldn't get enough of the Lara theme in YouKnowWhat that many folks got too much of.

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2017 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


Trek came calling between '70 and '78, too, as Doohan also worked on the animated series.


It really was a tough time for Trek, though; the original theme couldn't even get hired for the animated series gig.


ST:TAS theme is a hybrid. It starts with the TOS theme then goes into a new orchestration.

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2017 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

RE the TMP soundtrack: I still think the original LP program is a perfect suite from the score, and if someone doesn't want to dive in too deep, it's a great starter. But given what Onya has said, I don't think it's for him in any case. Though the love theme would I think fit in nicely with a number of the light music albums Onya declares love for around these parts. And the V'Ger sections do have a bit of the exotica/space music mashup vibe Onya craves, though more aligned with Debussy/Ravel and other early 20th C concert music. So there might be something there after all for him for short dough, as one of our luminaries likes to say. wink

Perfect. I generally buy expansions only of albums I really love, so I would be much more inclined to spend $2 on the LP and then go from there. My favorite classical music is 20th Century (and baroque; I generally don't care for the classical or romantic eras), so your descriptor would suggest this is up my alley. The clincher will be how often that godawful main them does or does not intrude into the overall program.


Thread title changed to: "How Extensively Marketed was ST: TMP to Onyabirri?" wink

Don't let these guys talk you off the ledge into getting TMP. I'm telling you that the theme rears its head in enough cues spread throughout the album that it will drive you crazy.

Believe me.


LLL's expanded edition contains the theme from the original series. Should be purchased by any TOS fan for that reason alone.

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2017 - 8:12 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Thread title changed to: "How Extensively Marketed was ST: TMP to Onyabirri?" wink

I missed this sentence earlier, Jim. Priceless. Post of the week.

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2017 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Ouch. "Intrude" seems a bit nasty. And yet I too felt more aware than ever of its reverb in my latest viewing (recently completed). I dunno. Couldn't get enough of the Lara theme in YouKnowWhat that many folks got too much of.

That's a good comparison, Howard. I've never been able to get through the Dr. Zhivago soundtrack album in one sitting (well, the expanded one anyway) for just that thematic overkill. And yet I can listen to Gran Prix first to last happily - the mystery of why one theme works for me and another doesn't has never been solvable. I'm just glad I've learned to love Jerry's STTMP theme.

 
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